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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by arjie »

holowoodman wrote: post #636
arjie wrote: post #631

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Yes, and I'm sure that the next time the US does something against European interests it will again be the case that the last time was just pretense but this time is real. The thing with terminal declarations is that there is no pathway back. If the US was never to be trusted again after the Iraq War, we are never to be trusted again now, so telling us that we are never to be trusted now is not of any significance. W…

I didn't say "never", just "very very hard". Just think of the relations the US has with the British. Back in the day, after the independence war, I'm quite sure that there were quite a few people in the US who said something like "never will we have cordial relations with the Kingdom of Britain"...

No, you did not say that, but that was the context of the conversation.

> I think every American needs to understand this quote:

> > "We will never fucking trust you again."

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by bluebarbet »

ninalanyon wrote: post #587
jillesvangurp wrote: post #571

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With 40M people, Canada is about half the size of Germany in terms of population and GDP. Also smaller than France. Canada is more similar in GDP to countries like Italy. The Spanish economy is a bit smaller but it has slightly more people (48M). The EU + UK is a bit over half a billion people. The thing with Zoom, Meets, Teams, etc. is that these aren't that hard to replicate. There is not much of a technical moat.…

We need the EU to do for software what it did for device charging and require interoperability. There used to be several 'universal' chat clients, for example Pidgin.

Indeed, and the IM space is a good example of an unfinished job. IMO it's high time that Brussels stepped in and picked a winning protocol, i.e. Matrix, and mandated that public bodies use it.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by balamatom »

jesterson wrote: post #521
xp84 wrote: post #456

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Of course they are, they haven't seen or thought through any consequences yet. Wait and see how they feel in 2 ½ more years.

Would you enlighten us about how we are supposed to feel in 2.5 years?

Very, very happy, or else

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by DFHippie »

account42 wrote: post #605
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #374

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There is no unringing this bell. Maybe a sane administration would slow the migration, but the damage is done. America is a capricious partner who can flip the table at any moment.

Absolutely not. History has shown again and again that human memory is short and greed is unbounded. If there isn't an active fire burning under people's asses they'll choose the $0.01 cheaper option even if it ends up being much worse for them in the long run.

That, plus massive influence campaigns from Russia, China, and US oligarchs like Musk and Thiel, are how we came to be living through the current general disaster.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by joe_mamba »

DFHippie wrote: post #648
joe_mamba wrote: post #619

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This is what you were told the Democrats ran on, not what they ran on. You got all your information from partisans who lied about the other party.

>This is what you were told the Democrats ran on

It's straight from the horses mouth mate. Plenty of dems were on social media vocal how the issue is many white men.

Here:

  Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN)  "I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country. And so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country, we should be profiling, monitoring and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men."

  Krysten Matthews (D-SC, U.S. Senate candidate)  "Treat [white people] like sht... I mean, that's the only way we're gonna get concessions out of them... It's like that white woman in that movie 'The Help,' you know, she nice as hell to them white people, but she a btch to that girl."

  Adina Weaver (Housing official appointed by NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani, D)  Described homeownership as "a weapon of white supremacy masquerading as 'wealth building public policy'" and called for political action to "impoverish the white middle class."
Good thing the internet never forgets.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by perlgeek »

nbardy wrote: post #624

They should probably fund their military first. It’s petulant the way the EU is throwing a hissy fit after we’ve had lop-sided trade deals for years and funding the entire NATO alliance ourselves. They act like we’re going to war with them when we’re asking for parity and for their self reliance to increase.

> They should probably fund their military first.

They should do both. Resilience must be achieved in depth.

> It’s petulant the way the EU is throwing a hissy fit after we’ve had lop-sided trade deals for years and funding the entire NATO alliance ourselves.

Most of the outrage in the EU right now is about Trump's threats against another NATO country (Denmark / Greenland). The funding of the NATO has been slowly shifting for a few years already.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by watwut »

zo1 wrote: post #621
watwut wrote: post #573

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> They just don't want what the Dems were selling in 2024, specifically: the dems' adopted ideology surrounding gender, plus using race and gender to pick who gets jobs and into schools, rather than merit. Except that, none of this is true. Democrats did not run on such policy at all. They heavily tried to appeal to center. Republicans run on culture war. And won, because it literally did not mattered what democratic…

I don't think we conceptually live in the same universe if you think those things about the democratic 2024 messaging. I just don't understand how you and your opposing commenters can have any meaningful discussion if you're so wildly differing in interpretation of such a public topic.

It is simple, what "opposing commenters" are talking about, is what REPUBLICANS said that democrats are saying. You know, what Trump, Vance and the rest of Fox news were accusing democrats of. I would note that these are not exactly notorious truth tellers.

The person I responded to likely never listened to or cared about what democratic politicians are saying.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by k_bx »

natas wrote: post #637

> France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc. The odds that France will provide a competing offering is pretty high, because, in this day and age, and with AI, it's fairly straightforward to do so. The problem is adoption, do you think people in the USA or elsewhere will install it? Does that mean that only French companies and the French will be able to talk to eachother? Seems somewhat limitin…

So I've opened their AWS replacement website (Outscale), Computing page.

No dedicated servers (VM only). Ok let's check VM price https://en.outscale.com/customized-virtual-machines/

Press the "Do you have a Cloud Project?" which is the only button? Oops! Something went wrong here.

Is this supposed to be an AWS replacement?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by simgt »

natas wrote: post #637

> France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc. The odds that France will provide a competing offering is pretty high, because, in this day and age, and with AI, it's fairly straightforward to do so. The problem is adoption, do you think people in the USA or elsewhere will install it? Does that mean that only French companies and the French will be able to talk to eachother? Seems somewhat limitin…

For all these there are protocols that could allow interoperability in-between offers, EU policy makers seem to be aware of the issue given what was mandated to Whatsapp. Let's hope for the best outcome!
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