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Yes, any cyclist daring to drive in winter can easily confirm this. It is so disgusting (and unhealthy) having to stand behind a ICE car on a traffic light and being behind a electric car is such a relief, that thoughts of wishing to ban all ICE cars as soon as possible (at least in cities) come automatically.
Modern ICE cars have auto start/stop systems, so on a traffic light it has as much exhaust as an EV.
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I think a lot of the smaller gas stations will slowly die off and we'll see continued growth of those kinds of fuel stations known for their food adopt EV charging as well and grow to offer food + energy whether that be gas or electric. Buc-ees these days has tons of rows of EV charging, often both Tesla and Mercedes brands. I imagine we'll see a similar thing with other brands.
It varies. As one station dies that temborarly strengthens the others on the same corner. Ev charging on highways will remain big business, but small rural town that support a few gas stations will support no ev charger because everyone charges at home.
If they have chargers, people will stop and charge and also have something to eat.
Especially for towns not too far away from highways, but any town really.
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Coal power plants are also massively more efficient than ICE cars. They can run consistently at their optimum rpm rather than start stop usage.
One other decent argument I heard in favor of EVs is that they’re agnostic to where that power is generated. So once that coal plant is replaced with natural gas, solar, wind, or whatever, all the EVs in that area will instantly become cleaner without everyone having to buy a new car after the changes is made.
On the other hand you can't do that with combustion vehicles, trying to legislate more environmental regulations to existing cars is political suicide.
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That used to be true; it no longer is. In the EU, some of the cheapest cars on the marker in 2026 are now electric. There are a few nice options in the 15K-20K Euro segment. These are the opposite of luxury cars. There are a quite a few new more joining the half dozen or so that were for sale last year. The trend here is that EVs are becoming the cheapest option. A few cars from Stellantis that are available in ICE a…
> a few nice options in the 15K-20K Euro segment You are making my point. Most folk can’t afford that for transportation. 10k is already a stretch.
Most likely expensive, since the cheap ones don't tend to survive past 10-15 years.
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Dual screens. One for infotainment, including the backup camera, the other for the dash. Have you never seen a newer model car?
I feel like you're deliberately missing the point. You don't need them to have a reversing camera. Literally millions of cars over the past 2 decades have perfectly fine reversing cameras using the screen of a regular double-DIN deck (or fold out single-DIN deck).
I don't see a meaningful distinction between a screen on a DIN unit and an integrated screen.
With Android Auto or the ios equivalent -- a hard requirement for most car buyers today -- a touchscreen is basically required.
Other "smart" features aren't required but I'm not surprised car companies want to try and extract value from in-car tech. It's got nothing to do with providing value to consumers.
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I feel like you're deliberately missing the point. You don't need them to have a reversing camera. Literally millions of cars over the past 2 decades have perfectly fine reversing cameras using the screen of a regular double-DIN deck (or fold out single-DIN deck).
I, too, felt you were being intentionally dense in this thread. We've just been talking past each other. I don't see a meaningful distinction between a screen on a DIN unit and an integrated screen. With Android Auto or the ios equivalent -- a hard requirement for most car buyers today -- a touchscreen is basically required. Other "smart" features aren't required but I'm not surprised car companies want to try and ex…
Someone questioned why a car needs two 12" touch screens.
To which you replied
> Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement.
My entire point is, that there's zero relationship between having a backup camera, and needing a 12" touchscreen, or a touch screen of any kind.
If your backup camera needs a touch screen, you've already failed. The entire point is that it activates automatically and deactivates automatically.
They've been available for literally decades - Toyota had a production model with a reversing camera in the fucking 80s.
Nothing else you've said since is related to your claim "Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement" and that claim is completely unrelated to OP's question about why a car needs not one but two 12" touch screens.
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The tires and their dust don't care whether you're braking by regen or friction. The reason there's more dust is from the increased weight of the EV not because of regen braking. You can coast in EV as well, that is not exclusive to ICE.
> The tires and their dust don't care whether you're braking by regen or friction. I'm aware. The point I'm making is that EVs apply more braking than ICE vehicles do, due to the specifics of the implementation of regen braking that all manufacturers have chosen. > You can coast in EV as well Not without literally putting it in neutral. If you just take your foot off the accelerator, any modern EV will apply some amo…
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So 7000 to 8000 euros to replace a battery of a 80 to 100k car? It depends on how many miles it has driven and how much other maintenance the car has had. It's a big expense but a battery dying is probably comparable to a timing belt breaking, those aren't cheap either and thats not even for luxury cars...
where did you get that number? parts and labour is $15,000 to $22,000 from all sources I can find. Heres one: https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/tesla-battery-replace...
And when they do, it's usually just a few cells that need replacing. In Europe, there are specialized third party repair shops that can do it a fraction of the cost of a new battery: https://www.smart-emotion.de/article/431-cell-replacement-at...
Lots of real world data shows that the TCO of EVs is much lower - fewer moving parts, less complexity, less maintenance.
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Battery degradation is largely overhyped and there is growing real world data to illustrate that in practice it's not a dealbreaker. Million mile batteries now exist. Show me a million mile gas/diesel engine. Also let's not forget that Toyota has a well funded corporate program rewarding employees to spread anti-EV propaganda.
You mean this, or something else; https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ev-battery-last-3-million-miles... A theoretical battery that is not actively produced, let alone actually gone the distance…? On the other side I can tell you at least SaaB has had a million mile ICE car, from 1989. There’s assuredly more than this. > 1989 Saab 900 SPG - 1 Million Miles https://www.saabplanet.com/1989-saab-900-spg-with-1-million-...
There are some taxis and limo service Teslas that famously did make it to 300-400k+ miles on their original pack.
The technology exists, CATL is offering a million-mile/15 year warranty for some of their packs: https://chargedevs.com/newswire/catl-warrants-its-new-ev-bat...
It's a solved problem. When you consider TCO, EVs win even if the battery needs replacement.
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> a few nice options in the 15K-20K Euro segment You are making my point. Most folk can’t afford that for transportation. 10k is already a stretch.
Depends on the country. People living in richer European countries buy more new cars on average, while people in poorer European countries give second life to those same cars once those "rich people" decide to sell them and fail to buy any buyer domestically. This is still a net positive even in poorer countries. If you can't afford a new car, you buy as close to a new car as you can afford. The newer the car is, the…