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Post by jccc »

lukevp wrote: post #225
drittich wrote: post #112

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Also a musician and I don't think it's that amusing. IMO this isn't an "AI can't be art" discussion. It's about the fact that AI can be used to extract value from other artists' work without consent, and then out-compete them on volume by flooding the marketplace.

And you create music without ever having heard music before? Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? AI music is the same as AI code. It’s derived from real code, but it’s not just regurgitated wholesale. You still as a person with taste have to guide it and provide inputs. Electronic music made it so you didn’t have to learn to play an instrument. Auto tune made it…

> And you create music without ever having heard music before? Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do?

This is an argument that the AI should be allowed to benefit, not the person prompting it.

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Post by germinalphrase »

troupo wrote: post #328
miki123211 wrote: post #306

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There are artists that Spotify has different deals with. Spotify promotes their music in their playlists, but the artists get a much smaller cut of the profits in exchange. Win-win for everybody. This only happens in genres where most listeners don't care about the artists they're listening to, think "chillout", "focus" or "easy listening." That kind of music is a commodity, Taylor Swift (or Metallica or Mozzart or w…

> There are artists that Spotify has different deals with. Spotify doesn't have deals with artists because Spotify doesn't have direct contract with artists. Only with distributors. > My hypothesis is that those genres would otherwise lose Spotify the most money, How would they "lose Spotify money", and how is this different from top artists on Spotify?

You can’t substitute Taylor Swift, but you may be able to substitute generic synthwave (or whatever people play for general ambiance).

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Post by vintermann »

troupo wrote: post #639
vintermann wrote: post #616

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The major labels own a good chunk of Spotify directly. Used to be even more. As long as they get their cut they'll jump on any opportunity to screw over their artists (yes I know "unsourced statement" blah blah, sit down lawyers. I won't explain the reasons for my low opinion of these companies right now.) The allegation is that Spotify pays out to entities which are ultimately owned by themselves, or that they get k…

> As long as they get their cut they'll jump on any opportunity to screw over their artists (yes I know "unsourced statement" blah blah, It's not really unsourced. It's just very rarely talked about. I think you may get an article once every 10 years questioning the actual rights holders and distributors. I mean, you get people in these discussions on HN that don't even know that Spotify (and other streaming services…

When this was in the music industry news a few years ago, a lot more tracks were mentioned, I don't remember if this one was one of the ones they listed or one I found myself. I did find many myself though, at the time it wasn't hard at all. I just remember this one because it was memorable, their name being the same as a far more Wikipedia-notable band.

What is hard though, is finding out which aggregator/intermediary/record company collected the payments for mayfly Mayhem's plays. I have not succeeded at that, if you find a way to get that information out of Spotify, do tell me. It's probably actually easier to find out who made the music. MBW managed to find out that at least some of these tracks were made by well-connected Swedish producers, as I recall.

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Post by Kye »

julianh95 wrote: post #493
joshcsimmons wrote: post #482

lol strange line in the sand to draw. Izotope Ozone uses AI to mix and master - for some reason that’s okay but you can’t actually generate the sounds with AI? Or what if I generate the notes with AI then use my own synth presets is that allowed? https://www.izotope.com/en/products/ozone

I think you might be confusing Izotope the company with the band named Izotope.

I don't see any confusion. Ozone is a mixing and mastering tool with buttons to find the best settings using ML, from the company Izotope. People who use it use something that the company calls AI. Where does the band come in to this?

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Post by beepbooptheory »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #635
beepbooptheory wrote: post #162

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Cf. Holly Herndon's album Proto . This is something people spent a lot of time on, is trained lovingly on only their own stuff, and makes for some great music. It's "AI" but in an almost unrecognizable way to us now: its not attached to some product, and its not about doing special prompting. It is definitely pop/electronic music, but it follows from a tradition of experimentation between what we can control and what…

Holly Herndon's music is original and creative. Unlike most LLM-generated pastiche text, picture or music. And since it's from 2019, it's not quite the same thing. I like it, unlike the current wave of unwanted LLM slop. It's original. Of course if 1000 people were doing the same with minimal creative effort and passing it off as something else, that would ruin it.

Gotcha thanks!

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Post by maples37 »

WD-42 wrote: post #82
olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

I’ve been doing the same over the last few months. The best part for me is going to record stores again. CDs are SO cheap now, especially used ones. I’ll usually pick a few out of the dollar bin just based on vibes and the cover and rip them when I get home. I’ve found some cool stuff. It’s like a treasure hunt. Don’t miss Spotify one bit.

To anyone going down this route, there's a surprisingly deep rabbit hole when you look into "how copy the bits off the drive and into a .wav file". There are a lot of places where errors can be introduced: the quality of the CD drive, the condition of the disc itself, how fast the drive is spinning for the rip, etc. I didn't think this was a big issue until I got a load of cheap used discs, started ripping them with my laptop, and later discovered issues with some of the rips, even on discs which looked perfectly fine.

There's a tool called cdparanoia[1] whose goal is to babysit the CD drive and ensure that it gets a complete, perfect, uninterrupted stream of bits off the drive, and will use a lot of tricks to go back and re-read any data that didn't come back cleanly. I always used it with abcde[2], which was a wrapper around it with album lookup, tagging, and ffmpeg support. I highly recommend anyone amassing a CD rip collection take a look at it, both are still packaged in present-day Ubuntu.

[1] https://www.xiph.org/paranoia/faq.html [2] https://abcde.einval.com/wiki/

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by utopiah »

Neat, my current setup is :

- stream from FIP.fr via cvlc - when I absolutely love a tune, buy on Bandcamp - if it's not available or I bought it elsewhere, e.g. old CD, then get from Soulseek - scp my ~/Music directory on my mobile phone

I tried LMS for few weeks but honestly just plain VLC is enough for me.

Anyway, point is, this decision makes me want to buy from Bandcamp even more.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

I switched to buying CDs and vinyl again a couple of years ago, and bought some second-hand hifi equipment.

I still have a family AppleMusic subscription mostly because my kids use it a lot especially in the car, but I want to go back to owning creative works and compensating artists instead of renting.

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Post by emptyfile »

jamesrcole wrote: post #617
KaiMagnus wrote: post #94

Completely understandable. I had this opinion for a long time, but only recently was I personally affected, but that made me even more convinced. I was listening to my new releases playlist on Apple Music and listened to a track that sounded nice, but also a little generic. I don’t know exactly what prompted me to check, but it had all the signs of something fishy going on like generic cover image, the artist page sh…

We're in the very early stages of AI generated art. What will it be like in 10 years time? 20? 50? You might think it won't get much better. I think that's unlikely.

Art without human intent behind it, is simply not art.

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Post by blue_pants »

summermusic wrote: post #545
eleventen wrote: post #119

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Same for me! Switched to Bandcamp + Navidrome and have decided that one of my goals for the year is to find at least 2 albums per month I want to buy. I will shamelessly promote the bandcampsync [1] CLI tool for automating downloads of your bandcamp library and bandcamp-sync-flask [2] wrapper that I built so I could invoke it from the web on my phone after I buy an album. [1] https://github.com/meeb/bandcampsync [2]…

> one of my goals for the year is to find at least 2 albums per month I want to buy. Rate Your Music (RYM) has been invaluable for me in discovering loads of music, I'd highly recommend it

Please, share your method.

I looked up an artist there (Dio), and then an album (Holy diver). Neither page helped me find "similar" music

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