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Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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How do citizens of the US tolerate this? I'm baffled how messed up the food industry in the US has gotten over the last decades. When I was in the US I remember ordering pancakes in the morning. Those pancakes for like 10 bucks lasted for the whole week because I couldn't stuff so much in my stomach. I also don't understand why everything, literally everything, is fried in oil. Good luck trying to get an actual healt…

>How do citizens of the US tolerate this? Tolerate what, stupid misleading advertising on frozen junk food? Normal people just don’t buy it. >I also don't understand why everything, literally everything, is fried in oil. Did you travel here and only go to fast food places or something? >It's just such a reverse culture shock when you come back to the EU. When I traveled to EU, I was surprised at the number of nasty p…

> Did you travel here and only go to fast food places or something

I attribute much of the weird slop like that post to bots or paid trolls driving an agenda. They say things that only really make sense in the online fantasy world.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Wow, it's hard to think of a better example of a correlational study measuring something that would obviously be confounded by the thing being studied. Don't forget that most GLP-1 users are obese and many will continue to be after treatment (as it only causes a reduction in 10%-20% of body weight). And they're rich. So the headline is "rich obese people spend more in restaurants than average". No shade on people tak…

> as it only causes a reduction in 10%-20% of body weight This was simply when the studies ended. Weight loss for most definitely tails off, but doesn't completely stop if you continue longer than the 18mo SURMOUNT-4[0] study went for with Tirzepatide. I also do not know if this was patients going on maintenance dosing, staying the same, or ramping up doses to the full 15mg max dose. Would need to re-read it as it's…

I know I will be downvoted into oblivion for this but here goes: Im sorry to be crass but if someone makes lifestyle changes after taking drugs its 100% the drugs.

Kind of tired of people taking anabolic steroids and then claiming it's a smaller part of their success or people being born rich talking about hard work whilst being on the golf course.

Just be happy that we live in a time where drugs have been painstakingly researched and move on without the ego boost. Be humble.

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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> fruit is significantly more expensive than snacks This is a commonly repeated claim but it's usually not true. Fruit is, in fact, pretty cheap: In the US, bananas average $1.68/kilo: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings... A kilo is usually ~6 bananas. So a banana costs maybe 28c on average. Find a cost-competitive ultra-processed snack for the calories and satiety that a banana provides. He…

Why is fruit the example of a healthy snack? Fruits are full of fructose, which is enemy #1 for weight loss.

Not so much when you consume it along with the fibre which is typically also included in the fruit.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Do we know what the reason is for the limits of around 10-20%?

I don't know that there's a consensus on what the limit really is. Semaglutide is good for about 15%, tirzepatide about 20%, and retatrutide about 25%. Some people don't get that much, some people get a lot more. Personally, tirzepatide got me just over 35%. I never got anywhere near max dose, either, I am what is colloquially referred to as a super responder.

Sorry for personal questions please answer any OR none as you feel comfortable

1) How is your energy/stamina following the 35% loss

2) Have you done any dexascans/bodyspecs to measure your lean mass percentage before and after your loss

3) Did you take any steps to reduce the muscle loss?

4) with 35% loss, what BMI are you at?

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Just a reminder there are no shortcuts; doing the work to actually heal yourself and fast, etc. will always beat this sort of thing in the long run.

There are plenty of shortcuts. I've fixed my sleeping schedule by taking lorazepam and melatonin every night. I've gotten over many illnesses faster than healing naturally by taking many a pill. Why shouldn't there be medicine for issues with weight, especially for people who haven't been able to beat it themselves in decades? I've been fat most of my life and managed to lose a significant chunk of it by myself and r…

You lose .5-1 lb of fat every day you water fast; you will naturally increase stem cells, peptides, growth hormone, etc.

You can do this for months if needed.

You will reset your immune system, insulin response, eat off cancerous cells, etc.

The bigger opportunity is to figure out why all of these things are going on, typically unprocessed emotional trauma, environment, and choices.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Just a reminder there are no shortcuts; doing the work to actually heal yourself and fast, etc. will always beat this sort of thing in the long run.

"Heal yourself" is an emotional relative. If epigenetic markers have activated there is no meditating them "off". Many other factors existthat foster diverse set of biological traits that are not toggled off by sitting by water. Don't play doctor online as observers may be confused and make poor choices relative their unique circumstances. Stick to over-charging people wracked with guilt and seeking salvation, and th…

Choosing to avoid the trend of glp1s and instead figure out how to adopt a healthy lifestyle is not a threat.

But I do appreciate the life advice from someone with a 4 day old anonymous account!

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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> fruit is significantly more expensive than snacks This is a commonly repeated claim but it's usually not true. Fruit is, in fact, pretty cheap: In the US, bananas average $1.68/kilo: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings... A kilo is usually ~6 bananas. So a banana costs maybe 28c on average. Find a cost-competitive ultra-processed snack for the calories and satiety that a banana provides. He…

> In the US, bananas average $1.68/kilo: That's definitely not something I expected to be cheaper in Canada than the US.

Where I am in California it’s .99 cents per pound or 2.18 per kilogram at Safeway/Albertsons and slightly less at Trader Joe’s and Target, depending upon size.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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I don't think you've eliminated the likely hypothesis that overly processed food and GLP-1 use are significantly more prevalent in America. I don't think anyone would argue that these things don't exist at all in other countries, but we can still talk about degrees.

> we can still talk about degrees And yet Europeans in this discussion are going out of their way to play the America Fat game without acknowledging how much fatter Europeans are than Asians.

I think most europeans wouldnt mind agreeing to that most Asian countries are eating healthier, and their bmis will reflect that.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Not GLP-1, but moved onto an OMAD diet which is essentially a 23hr daily fast with nothing but neat espresso, cigarettes and water in between - although occasionally I have a small treat or sugary drink. But now I eat almost exclusively at restaurants and enjoy it, and overall it's cheaper than cooking at home given wastage with many ingredients and desire for variety. I do eat very simply though, usually south & eas…

How can eating at a restaurant be cheaper than at home? Could you give examples?

Others have given specific examples, but in general it seems like a weird thing that eating out is almost always more expensive than cooking in. You’ve got a place run by professionals, and they can prepare the meals in bulk, overall it should be possible to run it cheaper than an individual. But that would be more like a cafeteria type situation than the super-customized experience we usually get…

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Weight gain/loss is not a matter of motivation and discipline.

It absolutely can be. It was for me. Is it for everyone? Perhaps not. But to outright unequivocally say it's not is simply outright incorrect. It was absolutely motivation and discipline for me. One day I just decided enough was enough and I threw the proverbial kitchen sink at it. I am perhaps an outlier in that I'm not ashamed to say I was obese in the past because I simply lacked the motivation and desire to do th…

Great, your one of the few. Statistics are pretty clear that most people cannot willpower their way out of their food seeking behaviours. They are to a large extent not under your concious control.

correcting satiety signaling on a chemical level more directly addresses the problem in those folks.

yes, the food environment is the main problem, in a way, but only because it punishes having a certain set of chemical and lifestyle parameters and rewards others.

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