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Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by habinero »

lm28469 wrote: post #585
undeveloper wrote: post #501

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> attention span The meme of 'ADHD as the "fucked up attention span disorder"' has done immeasurable damage to people, neurotypical and ADHD alike. it is the attribute that is the least important to my life, but most centered towards the neurotypical, or the other people it bothers. > modern life fucks up your attention span That said, this statement is true, it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of ADHD as "dog l…

> it is the attribute that is the least important to my life still one of the most common symptom, and the one everyone use to self diagnose... > because medicine is le bad idk man, I've seen the ravage of medicine one people close to me. Years of adhd medicine, anti depressants pills, anti obesity treatments... They're still non functional, obese and depressed, but now they're broke and think there truly is no way o…

> I prefer to change my environment to fit how my brain/body works, not influence my body/brain by swallowing side effects riddled pills

Just try harder to make insulin, bro. You can outthink that t1 diabetes if you try hard enough.

This weird macho resistance to and scorn of anyone using the mental tools we have available is why men kill themselves at a much higher rate. There is no award for who struggled the most in life.

Do they always work? No. Do they work for a lot of people? Sure do. Can they be replaced with diet and exercise and different circumstances? Yeah, sometimes. Is that realistic? Not usually.

They aren't magic. They don't forcibly make you happy or change your personality or make your problems go away. You still have to do the work. But they're a crane to help lift the crushing weight you're under so you can shimmy out from under it.

If you don't want to use them, fine, but not using them doesn't make you a better person.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by wegwerf_4783247 »

Aurornis wrote: post #587
yoaviram wrote: post #471

This thread reads like an advertisement for ChatGPT Health. I came to share a blog post I just posted titled: "ChatGPT Health is a Marketplace, Guess Who is the Product?" OpenAI is building ChatGPT Health as a healthcare marketplace where providers and insurers can reach users with detailed health profiles, powered by a partner whose primary clients are insurance companies. Despite the privacy reassurances, your heal…

> This thread reads like an advertisement for ChatGPT Health. This thread has a theme I see a lot in ChatGPT users: They're highly skeptical of the answers other people get from ChatGPT, but when they use it for themselves they believe the output is correct and helpful. I've written before on HN about my friend who decided to take his health into his own hands because he trusted ChatGPT more than his doctors. By the…

> I'm seeing "I thought I had ADHD and ChatGPT agrees!" at an alarming rate in a couple communities I'm in with a lot of younger people

This may be caused by ChatGPT response patterns but doesn't necessarily mean there is an increase of false (self-)diagnoses. The question is: What is alarming about the increasing rate of diagnoses?

There has been an increase of positive diagnoses over the last decades that have been partially attributed to adult diagnoses that weren't common until (after) the 1990s and the fact that non-male patients often remained undiagnosed because of a stereotypical view on ADHD.

If the diagnosis helps, then it's a good thing! If it turns out that 10% of the population are ADHDers then let's see how we can change our environment that reflects that fact. In many cases, meds aren't needed as much when public spaces provide the necessary facilities to retreat for a few minutes, wear headphones, chew gum or fidget.

The story of your friend sounds very bad and I share your point here, completely. But concerning ADHD, I still don't see what's bad about the current wave of self-diagnoses. If people buy meds illegally, use ChatGPT as a therapist, etc. THAT is a problem. But not identifying with ADHD itself (same for Autism, Depression, Anxiety and so on).

ADHD may or may even be a reinforcing factor for a LLM user to be convinced by the novelty of the tool - but that would have to be empirically evaluated. If it were so, then this could even contribute to a better rate of diagnoses without ChatGPT capabilities in this field contributing much to the effect. Many ADHDers suffer from failing at certain aspects of daily life over and over and advice that helps others only makes them feel worse because it doesn't work for them (e.g. building habits or rewarding oneself for reaching a milestone can be much more difficult for ADHDers than non-ADHDers). I'm just guessing here and this doesn't count for all ADHDers, but: Whenever a new and possibly fun tool comes along that feels like an improvement, there can be a spark of enthusiasm that may lead to an increased trust. This usually decreases after a while and I guess giving LLMs a bit more time of being around, the popularity in this field may also decrease.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by jcmfernandes »

whalesalad wrote: post #112
jcmfernandes wrote: post #94

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I have a very similar story. It went from ibuprofen and water to antibiotics the following day, to different antibiotics the next day, and finally to having my tonsils purged (i.e., cut open) with local anesthesia in 4 days. By this time I no longer could speak. It was the most pain I felt in my life. I still trust doctors, but this made me much more demanding towards them.

That (peritonsular abscess) was also the most painful thing I have ever experienced in my life. I was genuinely hoping a lightning bolt would come out of the heavens and kill me.

Totally. I was in the ER, hitting my head against the wall because of the pain. And when the doctor cut it open... it was so painful, but the almost instant relief was worth it.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by theshrike79 »

This is a good thing, BUT we need a law requiring that all AI use by doctors has to go like this:

1) doctor writes down their own diagnosis based on the symptoms (or dictates, whatever)

2) diagnosis is saved, notarised, etc that it can't be changed afterwards

3) doctor receives AI-generated differntial diagnosis

4) now they can adjust their diagnosis, but the original still stays logged

Why? Because the AI-generated response might direct the doctor's thinking subconsciously in unpredictable ways resulting in diagnosis done solely by AI in practice.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by wegwerf_4783247 »

adam_patarino wrote: post #557
godzillabrennus wrote: post #537

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Is this any worse than Google? Seems like the same business model.

There are lots of companies that do this. Doesn't make it right. The real "evil" here is that companies like Meta, Google, and now OpenAI sell people a product or service that the customer thinks is the full transaction. I search with Google, they show me ads - that's the transaction. I pay for Chatgpt, it helps me understand XYZ - that's the transaction. But it isn't. You give them your data and they sell it - that'…

And it's not only your data, that makes it much worse.

"You are the product" is a good catchphrase to make people understand. But actually when you search or interact with LLMs, you provide not only primary data about yourself but also about other people by searching for them in connection with specific search terms, by using these services from your friend's house which connects you to their IP-Address, by uploading photos of other people etc.

"You are the product and you come with batteries (your friends)."

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by kittikitti »

The amount of bullying, ridicule, and even threats of litigation just for suggesting something like this was phenomenal. Glad a Gatekeeper finally announces it so the neuron they trained on the masses signals compliance.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by shlant »

efilife wrote: post #629
rafram wrote: post #63

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> nine months previous It likely just hallucinated the ADHD thing in this one chat and then made this up when you pushed it for an explanation. It has no way to connect memories to the exact chats they came from AFAIK.

or had this info injected into its system prompt and was doing everything not to reval it. ChatGPT gets fed your IP address* and approximate location in its system prompt but won't ever admit it and will come up with excuses. Just ask it "search the web to find where im at". It will tell you the country you are in, sometimes down to the city. If you follow up with "how did you know my approximate location?" it will A…

you think ChatGPT was purposefully and maliciously prompted to tell someone they had ADHD?

and your reasoning for this is what?

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by qiine »

ethbr1 wrote: post #615
pardon_me wrote: post #611

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Nothing he stated suggests this. Not giving a nod to how difficult it is doesn't mean people don't care. Unfortunately it is still true, we all have to advocate for our own care and pay attention to ourselves. The fact that this negatively affects the people who need the most care and attention is a harrowing part of humanity we often gloss over.

A boxing referee says "Protect yourself at all times." They do this not because it isn't their job to protect fighters from illegal blows, but because the consequences of illegal blows are sometimes unfixable. An encouragement for patients to co-own their own care isn't a removal of a physician's responsibility. It's an acknowledgement that (1) physicians are human, fallible, and not omniscient, (2) most health syste…

I see.

My question is, since you understand this very well, how successful are patients (that manage the effort) at both acquiring scientifically accurate knowledge and improving their health meaningfully?

And maybe share some tips like good knowledge databases?

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by shlant »

croes wrote: post #353
roger_ wrote: post #35

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Yes, if it will help me and others. Again, I understand those who disagree.

And what if it harms you? What if you have to pay health insurrance because of the collected data or what if you don't get certain insurrances? Most People don't have ap roblem that someone gets their medical data but that these information is used to their disadvantage.

"besides obvious things like being discriminated against for insurance"

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by motbus3 »

Aurornis wrote: post #587
yoaviram wrote: post #471

This thread reads like an advertisement for ChatGPT Health. I came to share a blog post I just posted titled: "ChatGPT Health is a Marketplace, Guess Who is the Product?" OpenAI is building ChatGPT Health as a healthcare marketplace where providers and insurers can reach users with detailed health profiles, powered by a partner whose primary clients are insurance companies. Despite the privacy reassurances, your heal…

> This thread reads like an advertisement for ChatGPT Health. This thread has a theme I see a lot in ChatGPT users: They're highly skeptical of the answers other people get from ChatGPT, but when they use it for themselves they believe the output is correct and helpful. I've written before on HN about my friend who decided to take his health into his own hands because he trusted ChatGPT more than his doctors. By the…

I don't see why they shouldn't be sued by misleading people with such products
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