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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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What's trollish about his blog ?

Author seems to enjoy writing posts that get lots of votes on site that I would describe as eye-rending, especially the "normal" yellow color scheme. It's aggressively unpleasant to read.

How is it trolling, though? Annoying, sure. But the content here is valid and worth reading, even if the medium is suboptimal.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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>will keep all others on Sequoia until this mess is resolved Good for you, unless Apple changes its mind my MBPro from 2019 will be stuck on Tahoe forever.

Hah, really? If you enter recovery mode and install an OS via network it installs the OS the device originally shipped with, right? On an Intel-based Mac: - If you used Option-Command-R to start up from Internet Recovery, you might get the latest macOS that is compatible with your Mac. - If you used Shift-Option-Command-R to start up from Internet Recovery, you might get the macOS that came with your Mac, or the clos…

Ah yes, of course I can install an older version. I meant that it won't get new updates to future (and hopefully better) versions :(

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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It seems like Apple's hardware design is universally loved with much acclaim, why is their software getting progressively worse? It's not Microsoft-add-all-the-bloatware-and-adverts-we-can worse, but it's 20-year-old-operating-systems-were-better-designed worse. We're getting to a point where I think Linux windowing systems like KDE are better designed. And it seems that all they had to do was not change much over th…

It used to be the opposite! From the end of the PowerPC era throughout most of the Intel era, the Mac OS X was the main selling point, while the hardware was slow, overpriced and overheating (they've had some nice touches like MagSafe and "ears" on power supplies for the cable, but that didn't make up for everything else).

People used to build hackintoshes to get Mac OS X without paying Apple's RAM tax or suffer having mid-range laptop GPUs in the top-of-the-line desktops.

Apple's outstanding success with their ARM chips is more of an exception than the rule.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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I’ve always respected macOS for being the 'stable' choice for not-as-techy people. But recent versions feel like a mess. Running Tahoe on my 2019 Mac Pro (Yes the cheese grater one) has been surprisingly frustrating. Simple things are broken: Ableton couldn't even trigger a microphone permission prompt, forcing me to meddle with a SQLite database, which is definitely not meant for end users to touch, just to get it w…

Biggest downside of Mac OS has always been this. It doesn't provide a stable platform for third-party anything.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

> If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures,

... your career requires constantly chasing after what amounts to fashion trends every few years, otherwise it's a solved problem and probably does not provide much of a career

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Maybe Apple just got so many things right early on, then the people with experience slowly left and inexperienced people kept showing up and they felt compelled to keep making changes to justify their jobs. How do they justify their job if they can't roll out huge visible changes? So they rationalize whatever change they wanna make and keep advocating for it until they get the green light, regardless of whether or no…

>How do they justify their job if they can't roll out huge visible changes? This is the core rotting value in so much of big tech. So much of your bonus, performance review, promotion package, etc is hinging on "delivering impact" (ie: doing the flashy stuff). Imagine a world where some internal R&D team took a risk on liquid design but then thought it was okay to not ship it because it didn't work out.

We used to treat macOS and Windows like direct competitors. They used to channel their efforts into competing for market share and routing one another from weak customer-bases. For a while, they did give us better operating systems.

Today, both software products are treated like monopolies. macOS is satisfied being an insular underdog, and Microsoft has no motivation to compete if Apple won't get off their ass.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Tahoe and Liquid Glass™ solidified for me the idea that Apple completely dropped the ball when it comes to design. Clearly they needed an a-hole in charge, Jobs would've crucified a few people. It's painful to see the decay, update after update, into a more confusing, cluttered, and tacky experience.

This release of MacOS is the most retrograde backwards step I've seen Apple make. To use a famous movie quote: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should" Just because you have HDPI and opacity, doesn't mean that you have to use it by default, everywhere .

Reminds me of how OSX used to treat opacity in app icons as not part of the hithox. So I'd accidentally click the hole in the "O" for Outlook and it wouldn't open, haha.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

There seems to be two takes on the whole liquid glass thing.

- UI/UX pros who understand this stuff: “I hate it” - everyone else: “I didn’t notice until you pointed it out”

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