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Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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A lot of Venezuelans are happy about it. Maduro is not good for Venezuela. The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country. The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it". The US is giving another clear message that it does not care about global order, just global control. We're back in the…

Thank you for articulating this outside of the regular "HN myopia" lenses.

This event will also serve as a measure of how strong China actually is. Venezuela is very important strategically for them, they can't let it slide unless they're weak.

Surely, they won't go as far as direct US confrontation, but if they don't make Venezuela into a death trap for any US soldier being stationed there, one can draw the conclusion that China isn't as strong as many make them (including me, I confess).

But it wouldn't be that surprising if Venezuela turns out being a death trap for any US soldier being stationed there...

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I think people are overindexed on the US's failures to turn Islamic theocracies into democracies. The people in Venezuela want democracy. It's a fundamentally different situation.

> The people in Venezuela want democracy.

Let’s assume for a second this is true, and the US is genuinely helping by removing a dictator.

Why Venezuela? Why not one of the other dozens of countries in the world this is the case?

Hint: oil.

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Can somebody please explain how was he able to do that without Congress approval?

> CNN, citing a source: The Trump administration justified Maduro's arrest to Congress by stating that President Trump is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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To steel-man and provide a more charitable interpretation of last night: 1. Maduro stole an election. He is not legitimately in power. Many other people in power, like the military and other political factions, opposed this and wants him removed. 2. These people quietly oust Maduro in the middle of the night. 3. With the tacit approval of these folks, the US arrests Maduro for previously indicted crimes. 4. The US bo…

Come on, this is borderline insulting. I think most of us are educated enough in US history and foreign policy to know that this is fanciful.

I don't doubt that there were people in the Venezuelan govt who want Maduro gone and would be happy for a US-backed coup and collaborated with the US (i.e., provided intel, etc.)

But it's still a foreign coup and military-backed regime change, no matter how you or Trump spin it.

The lesson to the world continues to be: if you're big and powerful, you can do whatever the f you want in other countries to ensure they are "on your side" and to gain access to their natural resources.

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Can somebody please explain how was he able to do that without Congress approval?

I haven't yet seen what the legal cover for this use of military action was but there's a lot of guessing it will be the same Authorization of the Use of Military Force that was passed in response to 9/11 [1]. Yes, seriously.

The actual reason is that the Supreme Court has made Trump a dictator and Congress has abdicated any responsibility on checking the power of the president.

The people behind this don't call Trump a dictator. They couch it in softer, more legalistic language. It's called the unitary executive theory [2].

FWIW (not much), you can say that this kind of thing isn't unprecedented for a US President. I'm referring specifically to Panama's General Manual Noriega [3].

[1]: https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ40/PLAW-107publ40.pdf

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...

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I think people are overindexed on the US's failures to turn Islamic theocracies into democracies. The people in Venezuela want democracy. It's a fundamentally different situation.

The problem US has always had with Latin America is that it's population likes a Socialist flavour of Democracy.

That doesn't rub well to the ruthless capitalist ideals of America. That's the reason why the US has destabilized the region again and again.

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Can somebody please explain how was he able to do that without Congress approval?

> Can somebody please explain how was he able to do that without Congress approval?

Decades and decades of Congress generally refusing to do their job and also refusing to counter the ever-larger expansion of the Executive branch's assumed authority.

You might also note that the last time the US has declared war was WWII. [0] Vietnam? Korea? Afghanistan? Those weren't wars, they were "military actions", "military interventions", or "international police actions". [1]

[0] https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/declarations-...>

[1] See the "The Korean War" section here: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11236>

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It's funny how all the comments are discussing it from a "was Maduro good or bad" point of view.

This is an invasion for oil, nothing to do with drugs since they come from Mexico, and that propaganda is weak. And nothing to do with Maduro being a dictator or anything similar since each one of our politicians is objectively worse than him, I wish this was an exgeration, but when you look at the Epstein files, even the few unredacted things found there (and most of them are redacted) make it obvious that we are literally ruled by criminals.

Now you either look at it as it is, and accept that Santa isn't real, and that life is hard, and we are greedy, and we don't care about other people, and then you stop the moralizing when you do nothing about it, or you keep gobbling up the lie after lie, that Murica is the good guy, and everyone else is evil, and that all Murica's wars are moral and bringing freedom and liberating those third worlders.

TLDR: free your mind before you talk about freeing others (which is ironic because I'm doing the same thing, but I'm also writing this message for myself).

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A lot of Venezuelans are happy about it. Maduro is not good for Venezuela. The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country. The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it". The US is giving another clear message that it does not care about global order, just global control. We're back in the…

Trump also did not even inform the armed services or foreign affairs committees. He spoke to FOX before he spoke to Congress. It is not clear if he's done or if we just declared war. His public statement that the US will now be majorly involved in Venezuelan oil is both very telling and very mysterious. How the hell are we going to assert power over their industry without foisting a new, friendlier government?
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