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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by a_humean »

ahartmetz wrote: post #638
kentonv wrote: post #242

I switched all the machines at https://lanparty.house over to Linux a couple months ago. So far, we've experienced noticeably fewer problems on Linux compared to Windows. Stability and performance are better. I can't think of one game we tried that didn't work. And wow is it nice not to have all the ads and crapware in our faces anymore. (I'm aware that Battlefield series and League of Legends won't work due to draco…

It keeps surprising me how many people don't care about some of the most popular games today. I mean I don't care about Battlefield or League of Legends neither, but in earlier decades of PC gaming, almost everyone had some of the most popular games. Doom, Half-Life (1 + 2) and such. The games market today seems more similar to music in its fragmentation.

Well yes.

The addressable consumer market is just a lot bigger and more diverse than it used to be. You go back to the early late 90s and its a market dominated by teenage boys. Go back and look at some of the 00s and early 10s E3 presenations from the big three and its very cringe inducing how focused they are on a teenage boy demographic and appearing edgy and how blatantly sexist they are in their language. For example, at the E3 conference where MS announced xbox live (2004?) they explictly said that girls don't play games (there were actually plenty of girls that did play games at that time), but they might want to use xbox live to design t-shirts to sell to boys on their online marketplace. This was also still the era of booth babes trying to pull in men to booths with barely dressed women. Nearly every game ad was just a wall of exposions and violence or just the latest NFL game.

Today you have fully grown adults in their 30-50s with very different tastes and you have a lot lot more women and girls playing.

On top of we have a lot of diversity in who creates games and the kinds of games they can create and still be commerically successful. Lots of interesting narratively focused games, puzzles games, platformers, and more artsy games. But if you want your multiplayer shooter battlefield and CS2 are still there for you.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by z3t4 »

seg_lol wrote: post #515
z3t4 wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used multi seat in Linux with SystemD, i just threw in some old grapchics cards and sound cards in my gaming PC so that the children could play on separate monitors while I worked. Multi seat is very cool. When upgrading to a new gaming PC it was much cheaper to build 4 separate machines because cpu's and motherboards with enough pcie lanes are very expensive. GPU's still run at decent performance with half the pci…

This is awesome! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration I am super curious about your setup. I played with MS years ago, but I lost the need. It is a super cool tech that I'd love to see its efficiencies embraced in some way.

Install an old GPU, Connected a monitor to the extra GPU, connect mouse and keyboard, Use the loginctl command to list available devices/usb ports and attach them to a seat.

I suggest using Arch linux although loginctl should be available in all distributions using SystemD now.

If you don't have enough USB ports you can use a USB hub, some monitors comes with USB hub. And some with built in sound, or you can use wireless headset.

My main issue was that driver support was dropped for my oldest GPU card. So one day when I upgraded the OS it just stopped working. So to be on the safe side get another GPU like the one you already have.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by caspar »

hodgehog11 wrote: post #174
MostlyStable wrote: post #9

It is good, and for 99+% of use cases for 90+% of users (who mostly use nothing but the browser), they will hardly even notice a difference, besides the lack of obnoxious, instrusive MS behavior. However, despite really, really wanting to switch (and having it installed on my laptop), I keep finding things that don't quite work right that are preventing me from switching some of my machines. My living room PC, which…

I permanently switched from Windows to Linux about five years ago. I had the same issue as you with Dropbox, so I switched to using the Maestral client for Dropbox instead which has support for selective sync. Works like a charm for me.

+1 for Maestral, have been using it for about a year on my Linux install and it works seamlessly.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by heresie-dabord »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #585

Linux can't be a good desktop, almost by definition. 1. Look at commercial desktop OSes (Windows, MacOS). They spend hundreds of millions to develop and maintain the OS, do updates, quality assurance testing, working with hundreds of thousands of hardware vendors and enterprises, etc, just to try to not break things constantly. This is with "an ecosystem" that is one stack developed by one company. And even they can'…

> Linux can't be a good desktop, almost by definition.

By your problem statements 1, 2, and 3, there is never likely to be a great desktop OS. The best that we will ever have is a compromise (no cyber pun intended).

1) every OS is buggy, 2) every OS is a hotch-potch, and 3) users end up yelling at the clouds then forced to upgrade to the next version of frustration.

> who are lucky enough not to be experiencing the problems unique to Linux, gaslight you

It isn't just luck , people use Linux every day to do their jobs and pursue their interests. But if no GNU/Linux distro works for your uses, you have whatever commercial OS you are currently using to meet your needs.

As for actual gaslighting , yikes I hope that large groups of people are not conspiring to ruin your day. I personally react in a similar way when corporations tell me please wait, your call is important to us, our menu options have changed.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by tapoxi »

RamRodification wrote: post #592
tyfon wrote: post #563

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My PS5 can do 4k/120 hz with VRR support, not sure about the others.

Are there games running at 4k 120hz?

Call of Duty and Battlefield both run at 4K@120 with dynamic resolution scaling, PSSR or FSR.

Most single player games (Spider-Man, God of War, Assassin's Creed etc) will allow a balanced graphics/performance which does 40 in a 120hz refresh.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by foepys »

Cort3z wrote: post #572
shadowdev1 wrote: post #287

(cue arrogance) People on HackerNews complaining about Linux Desktop is pretty disappointing. You guys are supposed to be the real enthusiasts... you can make it work. (cue superiority complex) I've been using Linux Desktop for over 10 years. It's great for literally everything. Gaming admittedly is like 8/10 for compatibility, but I just use a VM with PCIe passthrough to pass in a gpu and to load up a game for windo…

I have been working professionally on Linux for many years. But about once a year I have to reinstall the os because it craps out for various reasons. The same story goes for most of my team, but for some reason they seem ok with this. My issue with Linux is this: I don’t feel like a consumer, but a janitor. I don’t want this. Yes you can do whatever you want, but I don’t want to do those things. I want to write code…

I don't know what you are doing but I have my Arch Linux running since about 2013. I needed to intervene a few times, I think 4 times in total but the base installation in from 2013, now nearly 13 years ago.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by distances »

vladms wrote: post #607
kderbe wrote: post #550

Steve Burke from GamersNexus tested eight games from their benchmark suite on Linux last month. Although his conclusion was generally positive, there were problems with nearly every game: - F1 2024 didn't load due to anti-cheat - Dragon's Dogma 2 and Resident Evil 4 had non-functional raytracing - Cyberpunk 2077 with raytracing on consistently crashes when reloading a save game - Dying Light 2 occasionally freezes fo…

> Baldur's Gate 3 Linux build is a slideshow on Nvidia cards I played Baldur's Gate 3 on Linux on a GeForce GTX 1060 (which is almost 10 years old!) without a fan (I found later that it was broken) and I generally did not have issues (couple of times in the whole game slowed for couple of seconds, but nothing major).

The key word was Linux build. There's now an official Linux version so that BG3 runs better on Steam Deck. Everyone else should keep using Proton to run it like they've done this far.

Which applies to all the games, basically. I nowadays make sure to select Proton before even running the game for the first time, in case it has a Linux build -- that will invariably be the buggier experience so want to avoid it.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by distances »

utopiah wrote: post #556
kderbe wrote: post #550

Steve Burke from GamersNexus tested eight games from their benchmark suite on Linux last month. Although his conclusion was generally positive, there were problems with nearly every game: - F1 2024 didn't load due to anti-cheat - Dragon's Dogma 2 and Resident Evil 4 had non-functional raytracing - Cyberpunk 2077 with raytracing on consistently crashes when reloading a save game - Dying Light 2 occasionally freezes fo…

> Baldur's Gate 3 Linux build is a slideshow on Nvidia cards Not at all my experience which makes me question the rest. Also https://www.protondb.com/app/1086940 most people seem quite happy with it so it's not a "me" problem. Finally the "10-30% drop in average FPS across the board" might be correct, then so what? I understand a LOT of gamers want to have "the best" performance for what they paid good money for but…

You're talking about the Proton version, parent was talking about the Linux native build that is optimized for Steam Deck.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by Hendrikto »

dtj1123 wrote: post #645
cdgfdfdgf wrote: post #619

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what stability and performance? yeah, i dont see bsds but bluetooth doesnt work and it doesnt wake up after sleep 85 percent of the time. kind of crap really

Bluetooth is admittedly less snappy than on Mac or Windows, although it absolutely does work. As for wake after sleep, I've not had a single issue in five years of daily driving Linux. No idea what you're talking about.

A lot of hardware does have problems with properly resuming from sleep, but that is pretty much universal, not OS-dependent. People report just as many problems on Windows.
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