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Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by ra7 »

simondotau wrote: post #649
ra7 wrote: post #646

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe Tesla should reduce their camera count from 8 to 2 and put them on a swivel like human eyes. Less is surely always better. I can also make “clever” arguments that are useless.

Remarkable. You managed to both misunderstand my point and, in drafting your witty riposte, accidentally understand it and adopt it as your own. More isn't objectively better, less isn't objectively better. There's only different strategies and actual real world outcomes.

> More isn't objectively better, less isn't objectively better.

Great, you finally got there. All it took was one round of correcting misinformation about LiDAR and another round of completely useless back-and-forth about sensor count.

The words you’re looking for are necessary and sufficient. Cameras are necessary, but not sufficient.

> There's only different strategies and actual real world outcomes.

Thanks for making my point. Actual real world outcomes are exactly what matter: 125M+ fully autonomous miles versus 0 fully autonomous miles.

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by ghaff »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #648
ghaff wrote: post #640

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A lot of walls were open after a kitchen fire. Electrician was redoing a lot of knob and tube and other older wiring. I had previously had a limited amount of DIY wireless switching (originally X10 but then a couple of voice-controlled switches) but basically everything was being redone anyway. And I basically just now have some dimmers and a simple programmable thermostat I haven't even programmed. The parent point…

As for threshold probably all the safety stuff: power metering, water leak sensors, smoke alarm monitoring. Then all the energy related stuff - heating, hot water controls - if you are on TOU pays itself in months. Then it's smart entry - probably one thing that you can actually experience and it's the best.

Basically don't have any of that stuff except a keypad door which I don't really use.

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by [deleted] »

senordevnyc wrote: post #527
dzhiurgis wrote: post #425

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It's not camera vs lidar, it's AI vs AI. Waymo's AI so far has been narrowly focused few cities. Good start, but remains to be seen who will scale out quicker. IMO both will succeed. Right now if you want a personal car Tesla's FSD is the only option and will remain so for likely a decade. Waymo doesn't seem to be excited about their mission at all. If it moves to Google's graveyard they'll be like "meh" while it's m…

This is such a wild take. Waymo is expanding to cities across the country, doing millions of paid rides every month. Meanwhile Tesla's "Robotaxi" is tooling around Austin with a few cars, every one of which has a driver in the front seat. On the personal vehicle side, Tesla hasn't done anything new or interesting in years, and sales are slumping. FSD never seems to actually become good enough to actually be "full sel…

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Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by senordevnyc »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #607
senordevnyc wrote: post #527

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This is such a wild take. Waymo is expanding to cities across the country, doing millions of paid rides every month. Meanwhile Tesla's "Robotaxi" is tooling around Austin with a few cars, every one of which has a driver in the front seat. On the personal vehicle side, Tesla hasn't done anything new or interesting in years, and sales are slumping. FSD never seems to actually become good enough to actually be "full sel…

I see you are here to discuss politics, not technology. Good luck!

Given that I said nothing about politics, I think this is what the kids call telling on yourself.

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by simondotau »

ra7 wrote: post #651
simondotau wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remarkable. You managed to both misunderstand my point and, in drafting your witty riposte, accidentally understand it and adopt it as your own. More isn't objectively better, less isn't objectively better. There's only different strategies and actual real world outcomes.

> More isn't objectively better, less isn't objectively better. Great, you finally got there. All it took was one round of correcting misinformation about LiDAR and another round of completely useless back-and-forth about sensor count. The words you’re looking for are necessary and sufficient . Cameras are necessary, but not sufficient. > There's only different strategies and actual real world outcomes. Thanks for ma…

Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realise you think you’re in a battle of fanboy talking points. Never mind. Not interested.

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by ra7 »

simondotau wrote: post #655
ra7 wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More isn't objectively better, less isn't objectively better. Great, you finally got there. All it took was one round of correcting misinformation about LiDAR and another round of completely useless back-and-forth about sensor count. The words you’re looking for are necessary and sufficient . Cameras are necessary, but not sufficient. > There's only different strategies and actual real world outcomes. Thanks for ma…

Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realise you think you’re in a battle of fanboy talking points. Never mind. Not interested.

Highly ironic considering you started this comment chain with a bunch of fanboy talking points and misinformation. Clearly, you’re not interested in being factual. Bye.

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by filoleg »

duskdozer wrote: post #448
octorian wrote: post #267

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> There is nothing fun about sitting in traffic on your commute to/from work, and neither there is much fun in doing long-distance driving in a straight line on highway for hours on end And I wish this would be more broadly recognized. Every time there's a story about someone important freaking out about something related to autonomous driving, I'm at least somewhat afraid they'll use it as justification to deny me a…

Miserable commutes were already solved with remote work for all who can and want. Fewer drivers makes for a better commute for those remaining

First, no, it wasn't solved. In fact, many tech companies that previously allowed remote work went back on it. Technically yes, I can "solve my commute" by taking a very significant pay cut (more than 50%), in addition to limiting my career prospects overall (or get lucky to get hired by the few competitively-paying top tech companies that still stand by remote work, which would still significantly limit my career just to those few companies). That's a proposal/trade-off that a lot of people would reasonably consider unacceptable.

Second, do you realize that remote work isn't an option for a significant majority of types of jobs? In fact, even if we lived in some magical world where every single software dev suddenly switched to remote work, it would barely make a dent. Janitors, doctors/nurses, school teachers, etc., those jobs just by nature don't allow for remote work.

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by FinnKuhn »

dansalvato wrote: post #524
FinnKuhn wrote: post #451

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All of the mentioned issues are mostly solved with Apple CarPlay Ultra though so this doesn't explain to me why they don't offer that.

I see CarPlay (and CarPlay Ultra) as being for auto makers who don't want to put in all the effort to design and drive a good proprietary UI (CarPlay is a godsend in cars with crappy UI, i.e. most of them). Rivian is a luxury vehicle brand with a first-class UI/UX. I imagine going with their own first-class UI and CarPlay Ultra would be a mess; two separate interfaces for the same controls, but laid out differently.…

Apple CarPlay Ultra supports customization as it's use in the new Aston Martin car(s?) shows.

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by mbesto »

Rover222 wrote: post #496
mbesto wrote: post #285

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I own a Rivian too, and previously owned a Tesla. While I too have my gripes about the UX on the Rivian, it still beats the cr*p out of a Tesla.

Just curious in what ways, since you've actually owned both. I've only had Teslas, but I like the looks of Rivians.

Tesla UX gripes (may be specific to Model S 2020):

- Yolk steering is terrible

- Lack of physical knobs. Haptics are nice but haptics don't work well for cars.

- Tesla menus are getting stuffed more and more with options, making affordance and UI crowding much worse

- The horn is a button press...no one in a emergency situation is looking for a button press..

- Native apps (for example Spotify) are inferior to just using my phone via bluetooth

- Calendar integration / notification is too chatty

Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by roguecoder »

WaxProlix wrote: post #38
igor47 wrote: post #22

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Which honestly is crazy to me. I have a Rivian, and to say the software is disappointing would be an understatement. There are heisenbugs galore; some examples: * Doors refuse to open * Lose the ability to control media playback using any controls * Any button in the UI just opens and closes the windows Granted, I'm a server side/backend engineer mostly, and I don't know much about writing software/firmware for a ver…

This sounds nothing like my experience, you should get that vehicle serviced.

I have seen issues like that. Rebooting has always fixed it, but it is notable.

I really wish they would hire a strong frontend team. I can almost always figure out what happened just from the signal, and it's usually a state machine getting stuck. Which I have some sympathy for, but also you just can't have that happen in something that is going to feel polished and responsive.

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