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Re: Google Antigravity

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This is why I have much respect for the Zed team as they are chasing originality, not just slap something onto VS Code and call it a new IDE.

I love Zed code. Sad that Sublime Text is not keeping up.

Once the UI soup around AI dev use has settled (and it's getting closer) I bet you we will see native apps with c/c++/zig/rust backends that render so much faster on all the junctions that aren't roundtrip limited (and yes, that will still matter to many people).

Re: Google Antigravity

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> It is a vs code fork Google may have won the browser wars with Chrome, but Microsoft seems to be winning the IDE wars with VSCode

VSCode is based on Chromium. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/docs/v...

VSCode is Electron based which, yes, is based on Chromium. But the page you link to isn't about that, its about using VSCode as dev environment for working on Chromium, so I don't know why you linked it in this context.

Re: Google Antigravity

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VSCode is based on Chromium. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/docs/v...

Which is based on Apple Webkit? The winner is always the last marketable brand.

Note that these are somewhat different kinds of "based on".

Chromium is an upstream dependency (by way of Electron) for VSCode.

WebKit was an upstream dependency of Chromium, but is no more since the Blink/WebKit hard fork.

Re: Google Antigravity

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- don't learn from what you tell them - don't have career growth that you can feel good about having contributed to - don't have a genuine interest in accomplishment or team goals - have no past and no future. When you change companies, they won't recognize you in the hall. - no ownership over results. If they make a mistake, they won't suffer.

- don't learn from what you tell them We'll fix that, eventually. - don't have career growth that you can feel good about having contributed to Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are. I feel pretty goddamned awesome about that. It's what we're supposed to be doing. - don't have a genuine interest in accomplishment or team goals Easy to train for, if it turns out to be necessary. I'd…

> We'll fix that, eventually.

> Humans are on the verge of building machines that are smarter than we are.

You're not describing a system that exists. You're describing a system that might exist in some sci-fi fantasy future. You might as well be saying "there's no point learning to code because soon the rapture will come".

Re: Google Antigravity

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> It is a vs code fork Google may have won the browser wars with Chrome, but Microsoft seems to be winning the IDE wars with VSCode

I wouldn't bet on an Electron app winning anything long-term in the dev-oriented space.

The anti-Electron meme is a vocal minority who don’t realize they’re a vocal minority. It’s over represented on Hacker News but outside of HN and other niches, people do not care what’s under the hood. They only care that it works and it’s free.

I used Visual Studio Code across a number of machines including my extremely underpowered low-spec test laptop. Honestly it’s fine everywhere.

Day to day, I use an Apple Silicon laptop. These are all more than fast enough for a smooth experience in Visual Studio Code.

At this point the only people who think Electron is a problem for Visual Studio Code either don’t actually use it (and therefore don’t know what they’re talking about) or they’re obsessing over things like checking the memory usage of apps and being upset that it could be lower in their imaginary perfect world.

Re: Google Antigravity

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I wouldn't bet on an Electron app winning anything long-term in the dev-oriented space.

VS Code is technically an Electron app, but it's not the usual lazy resource hog implementation like Slack or something. A lot of work went into making it fast. I doubt you'll find many non-Electron full IDEs that are faster. Look at Visual Studio, that's using a nice native framework and it runs at the speed of fossilized molasses.

> many non-Electron full IDEs

VSCode has even less features than Emacs, OOTB. Complaining about full IDEs slowness is fully irrelevant here. Full IDEs provide an end to end experience in implementing a project. Whatever you need, it's there. I think the only plugins I've installed on Jetbrains's ones is IdeaVim and I've never needed something else for XCode.

It's like complaining about a factory's assembly line, saying it's not as portable as the set of tools in your pelican case.

Re: Google Antigravity

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I wouldn't bet on an Electron app winning anything long-term in the dev-oriented space.

why? I don't have a problem with it, building extensions for VS Code is pretty easy Alternatives have a lot of features to implement to reach parity

Complaining about Electron is an ideological battle, not a practical argument. The people who push these arguments don’t care that it actually runs very well on even below average developer laptops, they think it should have been written in something native.

Re: Google Antigravity

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Which is based on Apple Webkit? The winner is always the last marketable brand.

That drives exactly $0 of Apple's revenue. It's only a win if you care about things that don't matter.

And Apple is not even the last node in the chain.

WebKit came from KDE's khtml

Every year is the year of Linux.

Re: Google Antigravity

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The agentic spam is exhausting. I just wanted to code. Too early in my career to not give a shit and retire, but too late be excited about these things and eager to learn. What a time...

Same here - completely relate. One thing I’ve noticed though that actually coding (without the use of AI; maybe a bit of tab auto-complete) is that I’m actually way faster when working in my domain than I am when using AI tools. Everytime I use AI tools in my domain-expertise area, I find it ends up slowing me down. Introducing subtle bugs, me having to provide insane amount of context and details (at which point it…

For those discussions with the LLM do you just use Gemini chat or chat GPT etc... i.e. the chat interface?

Re: Google Antigravity

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I gave it a fair shot. It is a vs code fork. There were some UI glitches. Some usability was better. Cursor has some real annoying usability issues - like their previous/next code change never going away and no way to disable it. Design of this one looks more polished and less muddy. I was working on a project and just continued with it. It was easy because they import setting from cursor. Feels like the browser wars…

speaking of paying for LLMs, am i doing something wrong? i paid cursor $192 for a year of their entry level plan and i never run out of anything. I code professionally, albeit i'm at the stage where it's 80% product dev in finding the right thing to build.

Is there another world where $200/m is needed to run hundreds of agents or something?

am i behind and i dont even know it?

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