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Re: Steam Frame

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Post by refulgentis » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:03 PM UTC

Andrex wrote: post #608

refulgentis wrote: post #151

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Whether or not we used to walk to school uphill both ways, that won't make the resolution fine. To your point, I'd use my Vision Pro plugged in all day if it was half the weight. As it stands, its just too much nonsense when I have an ultrawide. If I were 20 year old me I'd never get a monitor (20 year old me also told his gf iPad 1 would be a good laptop for school, so,)

> (20 year old me also told his gf iPad 1 would be a good laptop for school, so,) Yikes. How'd that relationship end up? Haha.

Lol, I laughed then 20 seconds later started taking this literally: I think that was July, it had been two years, and it was over by November (presumably due to my other excellent qualities!) (all joking aside, for younger members in our audience, it was sweet and she was around in my life for at least another decade)

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by WorldPeas » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:12 PM UTC

akdev1l wrote: post #212

krzyk wrote: post #187

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Why? It is a bummer to keep them, buy them when suddently they stop working, etc. While chargeable needs just a usb-c socket.

Devices with internal batteries basically have embedded expiration dates. Standard AAA or AA can be rechargeable so you don’t need to keep buying more. I’d suggest buying like a 100 pack or something, they’re not expensive.

At this point so many battery packs use the 2 double-a batteries side-by-side, I wish they just sold those as a usb-c rechargeable cartridge, that would make a lot of sense

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by vablings » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:34 PM UTC

vlovich123 wrote: post #578

anvuong wrote: post #372

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It's the same amount of pixels though, just with reduced bitrate for unfocused regions so you save time in encoding, transmitting, and decoding, essentially reducing latency. For foveated rendering, the amount of rendered pixels are actually reduced.

At least when we implemented this in the first version of Oculus Link, the way it worked is that it was distorted (AADT [1]) to a deformed texture before compression and then rectilinear regenerated after compression as a cheap and simple way to emulate fixed foveated rendering. So it’s not that there’s some kind of adaptive bitrate which applies less bits outside the fovea region but achieves a similar result by giv…

Although your eye moves very quickly your brain has a delay in processing the completely new frame you switched to. It's very hard to look left and right with your eyes and read something quickly changing on both sides

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by randyrand » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:52 PM UTC

quux0r wrote: post #443

I’m holding out hope that this could be utilized in a similar fashion to the Apple Vision Pro’s Remote Desktop. I’d love the chance to work in a coffee shop or plane and not need to look down for prolonged periods of time. I’m hoping that that dongle is able to be used as video pass through.

It's probably too low res. AVP is 3.4K, this is 2.1K spread over a wider FOV.

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by spopejoy » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:59 PM UTC

andoando wrote: post #234

phantasmish wrote: post #17

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Oh hell yes. There was a leak of specs (via a benchmarking database) of an upcoming machine from Valve and I had my fingers crossed that it was a mini PC and not some VR thingy, saw this thread, and was sad for a moment before I spotted this post. 6x as powerful as the Steam deck (that I use plugged in anyway 98% of the time—I’d have bought a Steam Deck 2, but I’m glad I get the option to put money toward more perfor…

What is the draw of the Steam machine though? They say the price is comparable to similarly specced PC. So why not just buy/build any mini PC? There's plenty of options for that

PC gaming on the couch at last

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by cloogshicer » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 6:07 PM UTC

pteraspidomorph wrote: post #470

rbits wrote: post #324

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Thanks for the article link. Nice quote from the article: > Unlike the Index controllers, Steam Frame Controllers don't have built-in hand grip straps. But Valve says it will sell them as an optional accessory for people who want them, a similar strategy to Meta. I was disappointed seeing no hand grip straps. I've never used a Valve Index but they seemed very useful. Very glad that they will still be available.

As an Index controler and Pico user: The back straps are pretty much essential for any serious use; the controller purportedly includes finger tracking (capacitive) but you can't really open your hand without dropping the controller unless you have the strap. If as I currently intend I end up purchasing this device, I will definitely endeavour to obtain the controller straps as well as the top strap for the headset a…

Genuine question, if you already own an Index, why would you also get this? Wireless functionality, or something else?

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by armonster » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 6:12 PM UTC

niek_pas wrote: post #563

barrkel wrote: post #317

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I guess you abandoned PC gaming some time in the early 2000s?

I'm guessing you have a very positive experience with gaming PCs; I wish I could say the same. My Windows PC: - Randomly BSODs because of (I think) a buggy Focusrite audio interface driver (that I can't fix and Focusrite refuses to) - Regularly 'forgets' I have an RX 5600 XT GPU and defaults to the integrated graphics, forcing me to go into the 1995 'Device Manager' to reset it - Occasionally just... stops playing au…

I also had frequent BSOD issues because of a Focusrite audio interface, lol. I've since thrown it out and gotten an alternative brand product and have never had the issues again.

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by yencabulator » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 6:39 PM UTC

swiftcoder wrote: post #552

monocasa wrote: post #99

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Foveated streaming is wild to me. Saccades are commonly as low as 20-30ms when reading text, so guaranteeing that latency over 2.4Ghz seems Sisyphean. I wonder if they have an ML model doing partial upscaling until the eyetracking state is propagated and the full resolution image under the new fovea position is available. It also makes me wonder if there's some way to do neural compression of the peripheral vision op…

> Saccades are commonly as low as 20-30ms when reading text What sort of resolution are one's eyes actually resolving during saccades? I seem to recall that there is at the very least a frequency reduction mechanism in play during saccades

During a saccade you are blind. Your brain receives no optical input. The problem is measuring/predicting where the eye will aim next and getting a sharp enough image in place over there by the time the movement ends and the saccade stabilizes.

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Post by yencabulator » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 6:49 PM UTC

consp wrote: post #487

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #398

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Peripheral vision is extremely good at spotting movement at low resolution and moving the eye to look at it. I don't know if it's faster, but it's a non-trivial part of the experience.

It's good enough to see flickering on crt monitors at 50-60hz for some people.

I can see the spinning color wheels inside cheaper projectors as rapidly-changing rainbow lights leaking out of their ventilation grilles, but only with peripheral vision and mostly only if I'm moving my head at the same time.

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by hadlock » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 6:50 PM UTC

xandrius wrote: post #644

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https://www.reichelt.com/de/en/shop/product/lithium-ion_batt... I'm not trying to sell you on these in particular, it's just that I am struggling to find "non-German" results. Go search for them on ebay or a local store.

Those are cool but it does seem like they are forced to have that form factor to fit in most existing devices. While a brand new device could employ something more apt? Even say something larger which can store more energy, dunno. It just feel off to still have AA batteries (which are generally not rechargeable) in a new product in 2025 which is not targeted to elderlies.

Maybe I'm just old but I bought some Eneloop rechargable batteries in 2008 and then some more Amazon branded rechargable batteries in like 2015 and a single charger and they've been powering devices consistently for over a decade. Half of my toddler's toys run on AA or AAA batteries. Calling them old fashioned feels like complaining the form factor of a 12 oz/330ml soda can is old; technically you're right but it's been around for 50 years because it works exceptionally well.

>AA batteries (which are generally not rechargeable)

I can't recall the last time I saw single use batteries in use, except maybe in a brand new remote control bundled with a TV, which was quickly swapped for rechargable. I don't even think of this most months, from where I'm siting I can see my battery chager and there's two sets of AA and a set of AAA sitting on there fully charged, ready to go. I think I paid $12 for the charger in 2008, very low barrier to entry.