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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by hypeatei »

ajross wrote: post #584
kbd wrote: post #233

The pardon power has been so abused these past few administrations that it's clear there should be constitutional changes in the pardon power, either congressional review, or strip it altogether.

> these past few administrations I remain amazed at how, again and again, no matter how specific and unique an abuse by the Trump administration is, it is always, invariably, Really Joe Biden's Fault. Like, the frame has been adopted by the MAGA base, but also the cranky left. The media does it too. Here on HN bothsidesism is a shibboleth that denotes "I'm a Serious Commenter and not a Partisan Hack". But it leads to…

This comment is a perfect explanation of my observations on here too. Thanks.

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Post by moron4hire »

JauntTrooper wrote: post #505
collingreen wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we can't figure out how to get a Congress that most people believe in then I worry that is the beginning of the end for this government. Hopefully we get to try from scratch a third time if that happens but I worry that collapse will be too tempting for Russia or China to not step in. Maybe we can be lucky and get conquered by Canada first in that case? What a weird thing to think...

Gerrymandering is at the heart of the rot.

Gerrymandering is particular powerful because Congress has refused to reapportion representatives for over a century. They just decided to stop following that part of the Constitution back in 1929. We still have the same number of representatives as we did when we were less than a third our current population. Each representative now covers 20 times more people than when the Constitution was ratified.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by cosmicgadget »

noisy_boy wrote: post #647

There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

It'd take a constitutional amendment. So all we can do is not elect someone who will trade pardons for money (on this scale).

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Post by Terr_ »

noisy_boy wrote: post #647

There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

> There should be a limit

There is, and the Constitution says the limit is impeachment and removal from office by Congress. That won't happen unless we fix how we talk about the ones responsible, to wit:

The Republican Party pardoned these criminals. The Republican Party is snatching Americans off the streets. The Republican Party is using the military to murder people on boats. The Republican Party is demolishing down the White House. The Republican Party is deporting people over free speech. The Republican Party has imposed the biggest tax increase in living memory with tariffs/import-taxes. The Republican Party is going pay itself your tax dollars in "lawsuit settlements".

There were 4 years of his first term and now 10 months of... all this. Today there is zero possibility of an oversight or mistake, any legislator who won't impeach and convict is choosing to support these things.

Nothing will improve while those legislators believe the blame will sail past them and stick solely to Trump.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #546
munk-a wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is miles ahead of other administrations in abusing it but as far back as my political awareness reaches (the Clinton admin) there have been clear awful examples like Marc Rich[1]. I certainly have a political lean but there are some really indefensible pardons on each side. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

Did you miss all the Biden pardons, including unprecedented pardons for crimes they may commit?

Do you think he would have issued those if anyone else was succeeding him? Has Trump validated those concerns?

The only reason Trump hasn't challenged the constitutionality of the pre-emptive pardons is because he indends to do the same.

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Post by Volundr »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #546
munk-a wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is miles ahead of other administrations in abusing it but as far back as my political awareness reaches (the Clinton admin) there have been clear awful examples like Marc Rich[1]. I certainly have a political lean but there are some really indefensible pardons on each side. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

Did you miss all the Biden pardons, including unprecedented pardons for crimes they may commit?

Yes actually. As far as I'm aware even the President can't pardon crimes someone may commit in the future. Can you point out the ones where he did that?
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