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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by robertlagrant »

Fluorescence wrote: post #640
robertlagrant wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it takes me 5 clicks and two open windows to pick a bluetooth speaker in Gnome, I remember how far behind it is from MacOS's 2 clicks and zero windows.

What? It's pretty much the same. Click the speaker icon the menubar, bluetooth is one of the options, third click to choose a connection. There are plenty of excellent extensions if you want something different. I use dash-to-panel to combine the system tray in my dock and not have a pointless menu bar. > zero windows Are you not calling the MacOS sound-panel a window? It's the same type of panel you use in Gnome! I…

> Are you not calling the MacOS sound-panel a window?

When I click on the bluetooth icon in the top bar of MacOS it pops out a little list, and each bluetooth option has a toggle next to it where I can click to toggle.

In my version of Gnome, I click at the top bar to open a menu, then click Bluetooth On (or the name of the currently connected device). That pops out a sub-menu, in which I click Bluetooth Settings. That opens a window that lists the paired Bluetooth devices. I can click on one, which opens another window over the top, where I can click a toggle to connect it. I stare at it waiting for it to connect (it's slightly less reliable at this than the Mac[0], so it's worth watching it) and then I click again to close that window, and finally click again to close the window underneath. Actually 7 clicks!

[0] It could be the Mac is no better at this, but the UI interruption is basically zero to check and re-click, so it at least feels better, and I can do other stuff between checking.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

12_throw_away wrote: post #79

I swear I don't usually complain about UI styling updates, because it's usually not a big deal - but this looks really, really bad [1]. It's less functional with bizarre transparency choices destroying legibility, and big rounded corners taking up more dead space. And stylistically, the layouts just look unbalanced and amateurish (It reminds me of what happens when I attempt to do CSS layouts). Most Linux desktops un…

Didnt vista try and do a similar thing when it came out, lots of "widgets" and transparency crap that felt cool then tacky after 2 minutes...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by daveoc64 »

MobileVet wrote: post #344

The part that I am so tired of is the ‘we are the best at this and this is amazing’ pitch that comes with every release. Never mind that this release’s design ‘language’ DIRECTLY conflicts with things they used to say ‘never do that’. So what changed exactly? Change is understandable but this is a full 180. - floating anything was verboten - accessibility was paramount - clarity was prioritized How did this release c…

Isn't that just how Apple has always operated?

2004: You don't need an iPod that plays videos. 2005: Here's an iPod that plays videos.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #160

The reason Liquid Glass on macOS specifically is getting so much blowback is that it isn't just updating the translucency effect with the new glass refraction effect - they've also increased the border radius of most windows, increased paddings in toolbars, sidebars, etc. and overall made the UI much less information-dense, which is wild for a desktop OS. If they had just changed the translucency effect, I think this…

its insane to me that apple could feature "liquid glass"... the amount of devs that must of worked on this is probably not insignificant and could have been used on better things...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Fluorescence »

robertlagrant wrote: post #651
Fluorescence wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? It's pretty much the same. Click the speaker icon the menubar, bluetooth is one of the options, third click to choose a connection. There are plenty of excellent extensions if you want something different. I use dash-to-panel to combine the system tray in my dock and not have a pointless menu bar. > zero windows Are you not calling the MacOS sound-panel a window? It's the same type of panel you use in Gnome! I…

> Are you not calling the MacOS sound-panel a window? When I click on the bluetooth icon in the top bar of MacOS it pops out a little list, and each bluetooth option has a toggle next to it where I can click to toggle. In my version of Gnome, I click at the top bar to open a menu, then click Bluetooth On (or the name of the currently connected device). That pops out a sub-menu, in which I click Bluetooth Settings. Th…

If it annoys you then do look for an extension e.g.

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1401/bluetooth-quick-...

Recent vanilla gnome has the same type of pop-up as MacOS but it does it does have one more click to expand possible connections if changing connection not just toggling.

You could use no clicks and truly no windows with "bluetoothctl connect ..." :)

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dim13 »

Read most of the comment, was hesitated. Then thought "it can't be that bad". Ok, it is that bad. I absolutely hate extra round corners and extra margin in the windows. Sigh.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

truncate wrote: post #559
treesknees wrote: post #332

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Why not run it natively with Asahi Linux?

IIRC, there bunch of random things that still don't work -- no USB-C output, webcam, audio and if I've to guess suspend/resume is probably not rock solid either. The only benefit is that you get to use Linux, but then you may lose on actually getting work done without worrying about these issues. The new UI is inferior, but can still get things done.

Webcam and audio both work now. I can't speak to how solid suspend/resume is because I haven't actually used it--I just follow the project--but I wouldn't necessarily assume it's flaky.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Rochus »

drnick1 wrote: post #467

I am the only one to think that these days, GNOME and KDE are more usable than anything made by Microsoft or Apple? I think part of the reason is that devs working on these projects don't have an incentive to make arbitrary changes like people who need to justify their paychecks.

Even Mate is more usable, and to do decent work on a Mac I need a Lenovo Thinkpad external keyboard, which is much better than anything Apple has to offer and it even has a trackpoint and two mouse buttons.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by deprave »

sho_hn wrote: post #219

Whew. Those screenshots: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/09/macos-26-tahoe-the-a... As a KDE Plasma dev, I always counted on us getting better, but I didn't expect the competition to get so much worse. We'd be flamed to high and heaven for shipping broken notification popups and rendering glitches like that in a prod release. What happened internally to cause this, I wonder?

That’s the important question. Someone else on the thread suggested it was to divert attention from one failure (AI) and now they have two. I wonder how Steve Jobs would react to this mess. Maybe he’d say he would not have been in such a mess in the first place. :)

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by andrepd »

mbernstein wrote: post #636
andrepd wrote: post #620

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That's ridiculous. Thinkpads, Zephyrus G14, Framework, they all have performance, build quality, screens, battery, etc, comparable to a Mac.

Do they? So far I haven’t found anything that matches battery life, build quality, or trackpad quality.

The G14 definitely matches in build or exceeds in build quality, keyboard, trackpad, speakers, and display. Battery life is shorter though. But it has a better GPU and supports Linux, which is way more important to me than an hour or two extra battery.

The Framework is also excellent, but with different compromises: that sweet display aspect ratio for instance, but no OLED.

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