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Post by rini17 »

atoav wrote: post #645
rini17 wrote: post #640

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That is purely psychological perception. Noone seriously calculated that nuclear waste would be orders of magnitude worse than coal per TWh. Neither safety, expense to manage nor other externalities.

No it isn't. All current nuclear waste models purely rely on geology and perfect engineering and assume that 100 to 300 years in the future those sites need zero staff, zero maintenance and zero monitoring. Which is of course a "cool" assumption to make if you're profiting from this being the conclusion today. Critics of these models (like me) are sceptical of that overly opportunistic conclusion, especially since th…

So what if it's not perfect? Worst case of nuclear waste mishandling would still have milder repercussions compared to doubled, or tripled or worse CO2 levels we are subjecting future generations to. That will persist too long after profits from fossils stop.

Hard to discuss or persuade when you are comparing everything to some ideal, and one-sidedly moreover. Can we talk about real world alternatives. Hypothetically even doubling natural radioactivity background (and that would require total recklessness) would be better option if we could have avoided large part of CO2 output. Now nuclear is becoming moot as we have cheap renewables and batteries anyway.

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by rini17 »

Kon5ole wrote: post #642
rini17 wrote: post #640

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That is purely psychological perception. Noone seriously calculated that nuclear waste would be orders of magnitude worse than coal per TWh. Neither safety, expense to manage nor other externalities.

>Noone seriously calculated that nuclear waste would be orders of magnitude worse than coal per TWh Not sure what you mean here but I agree that nobody was able to predict what the cost of nuclear would actually end up being when they first started with it in the 50s. EDF was bailed out for 50 bn despite having neglected maintenance so badly that half their plants were offline in 2022, and the first thing France did…

I don't understand what are you trying to say, coal plants always have proper maintenance and never caused price hikes, outages and fatal accidents?

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by Kon5ole »

rini17 wrote: post #652
Kon5ole wrote: post #642

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>Noone seriously calculated that nuclear waste would be orders of magnitude worse than coal per TWh Not sure what you mean here but I agree that nobody was able to predict what the cost of nuclear would actually end up being when they first started with it in the 50s. EDF was bailed out for 50 bn despite having neglected maintenance so badly that half their plants were offline in 2022, and the first thing France did…

I don't understand what are you trying to say, coal plants always have proper maintenance and never caused price hikes, outages and fatal accidents?

>I don't understand what are you trying to say, coal plants always have proper maintenance and never caused price hikes, outages and fatal accidents?

No no - I'm saying nobody pays 8 billion per year 14 years after a coal plant accident, no matter what coal plant accident it was. But Japan pays that for Fukushima.

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by klaff »

542354234235 wrote: post #458
Kon5ole wrote: post #415

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Your implication is misguided, solar is in fact the most practical way to add more electricity for most countries. The US generated an additional 64Twh of solar in 2024 compared to 2023. To get the same amount from nuclear you would need to build 5 large reactors in one year. As for land mass, we can re-use already spent land mass, like rooftops, parking lots, grazing farmland and such. Solar can also be placed on la…

Since America is so in love with car infrastructure, just turning open parking lots into covered lots would be more than enough. Just converting all Walmart parking to covered solar would meet almost half of all US electrical demand. 4,070,000,000,000 kWh US electric use in 2022 Using 330W panels it would require 8,447,488 panels (4,070,000,000,000 kWh / (330W * 4 hours/day * 365 days/year)) which is 164,726,016 sq f…

You divided kW by W, so off by 1000.

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Post by thephyber »

tzs wrote: post #313
thephyber wrote: post #196

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I can’t tell if the first sentence is sarcasm or not. This document reads like a trade group lobbying the government, not like the government looking out for the interests of its people. With regards to LLM content in the legal system, law firms can use LLMs in the same way an experienced attorney uses a junior attorney to write a first pass. The problem lies when the first pass is sent directly to court without any…

> With regards to LLM content in the legal system, law firms can use LLMs in the same way an experienced attorney uses a junior attorney to write a first pass Junior attorneys would not produce a first pass that cites and quotes nonexistent cases or cite real cases that don’t match what it quotes. The experienced attorney is going to have to do way more work to use that first draft from an LLM then they would to use…

Neither should the LLM.

Using the legal equivalent of Deep Research is what law firms should be using, not the cheapest model a available with no model guardrails.

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by thephyber »

jdross wrote: post #392
tzs wrote: post #313

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> With regards to LLM content in the legal system, law firms can use LLMs in the same way an experienced attorney uses a junior attorney to write a first pass Junior attorneys would not produce a first pass that cites and quotes nonexistent cases or cite real cases that don’t match what it quotes. The experienced attorney is going to have to do way more work to use that first draft from an LLM then they would to use…

They’re going to use junior attorneys to do that work. It’s the juniors who will be expected to produce more

As I heard it, the senior attorney guides the strategy and does proof reading. The junior does the tactics.

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Post by MangoToupe »

softwaredoug wrote: post #504

Obviously AI is a massive and important area for economic growth. But so is clean energy. And both right now are at an inflection point. It seems the US is going to thrive with the former but naively stick our heads in the sands with the latter. We’ll cede economic leadership, and wonder in 20 years what happened as other countries lead in energy. Even worse, the administrations stance will encourage US energy compan…

> Obviously AI is a massive and important area for economic growth

Is it? Sure it helps sell chips, but where is it actually driving measurable efficiency improvements?

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by MangoToupe »

martin82 wrote: post #627
Gene5ive wrote: post #622

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Ice caps? Try human beings. Increased Mortality: Projections indicate an additional 14.5 million deaths by 2050 due to climate-related impacts like floods, droughts, heatwaves, and climate-sensitive diseases (e.g., malaria and dengue). Economic Losses: Global economic losses are predicted to reach $12.5 trillion by 2050, with an additional $1.1 trillion burden on healthcare systems due to climate-induced impacts. One…

Nice try, ChatGPT. Not a single of these idiotic projections will ever come true.

> Over 200 million people may be displaced by climate change by 2050

This one seems like it undershoots realistic estimates by a large amount.

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