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I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by ujkiolp »

aziaziazi wrote: post #642
raydev wrote: post #568

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> much of this effect is an error, or at least a far-less-than-ideal effort No, the vast majority of people use their phones as video viewers, increasingly so after the rise of TikTok. I have family members in their 30s who don't have laptops or TVs, all media is consumed through their phone, and for most kids/teens across the world it is their primary video consumption device. The average person is trying to maximiz…

There’s a bias here: video consumption is continuous, somewhat long and eye catching (both the movement on the screen and the focussed-starring position à la "look at the sky!"). Therefore we’re more encline to notice video consumption than other usages like music, navigation or notifications check. Don’t take me wrong: I do agree that "the vast majority of people use their phones as video viewers", but the duration/…

ur point is invalid. the market doesnt have this small device because of not enough demand. simple as that

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by singpolyma3 »

geodel wrote: post #578
singpolyma3 wrote: post #573

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The problem is that the bar for "commercial failure" is too low. I not only would pay more for a qwerty device but I have multiple times and I've delayed purchases of a device when no qwerty option was available. And I know there are thousands of people like me. But there aren't hundreds of millions of people like me. And the bar for "success" is selling that many units so it gets considered a "failure"

Well if company can't profit selling such device in small quantity it is commercial failure. There is not much qualification to it beyond that. The bar appears too low to prospective customer because they lose nothing if they try this product but ultimately decide to not buy but for business it is clear loss. This is like those mythical users who'd buy Macs once its fully hackable and officially support linux. Apple…

Sure "can't profit" would be a sensible bar. But in practise the bar used is much, much higher that's my point

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by javier2 »

grapesodaaaaa wrote: post #95
javier2 wrote: post #50

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> I only traded out my iphone 12 mini just recently for an iphone 16 pro (likely the last apple product I will ever buy but thats another story) and aside from the camera it is basically the same. Just heavier, awkward to hold and slightly worse designed. Just did the exact same thing 5 months ago.. I still miss my 12 mini. Would strongly consider buying a 13 mini instead of its even being sold anymore.

I wish they had made a pro mini. The only reason I got rid of mine was for the zoom of the pro.

The main reason I traded was that work pays for a new phone and the battery was so bad I had to charge my 4 year old 12 mini twice a day.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by biker142541 »

r00fus wrote: post #587
Topfi wrote: post #507

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> The iPhone 12 and 13 Mini were always marketed as the cheaper versions [...] No, they were not. They were literally a scaled down version of their respective regular sized counterparts, the 13 Mini had the same cameras, SOC, memory, screen quality and storage options as the regular 13 [0], yet its sales success (or lack thereof [1]) was enough to instantly cure me of any previously held notions that there is a suff…

The 12 mini and 13 mini had very substandard batteries compared to the mainline version or the SE. There are a lot of people who probably would've bought the mini but instead of opted for the SE because battery life degraded so quickly.

As a 12 mini user daily since it came out in 2020, I've only just now started to hit any noticeable battery dip (~85% after almost 5 years usage). It's still pretty solid on a daily basis. On very rare occasions, the smaller battery has required charging before evening due to excessive photos taken and/or nav without a plug. FWIW, I will probably replace the battery by end of year, or next, and keep it going as long as I can... I refuse the massive "normal" phone size.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by protocolture »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #220
protocolture wrote: post #207

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>You don't see pants coming in one size with the advice "wear a belt". Great example. Because people who are shorter than average tend to have to get pants taken up, and people who are vastly taller than average tend to go to specialty stores. The average height of pants is largely dictated by what the market will permit, requiring people to make adjustments or leave the market. Having a 2d matrix of height and width…

> Technology is worse, anything that requires tooling is done the least number of times possible. While small phone enjoyers are disadvantaged, they arent disadvantaged enough to force them out of the market. Larger tooling is easier to make and caters to all other preferences. No, you're making up a claim that you know perfectly well is false. Just blank most of your day out of your mind, and then... what? Why? You…

>No, you're making up a claim that you know perfectly well is false. Just blank most of your day out of your mind, and then... what? Why?

I cant even parse this? What am I blanking?

>You don't like pants? Televisions come in dozens of different sizes. Laptops come in dozens of different sizes. Are phones different in some way?

Where did I claim not to like pants?

Laptops come in tons of different sizes. So do phones.

They tried sub 10 inch laptops, in the form of netbooks, the form factor barely exists anymore outside of hobbyists. Netbook enthusiasts either have to exit the market, or go for something 10 inch or higher. Because its not worth the tooling to deal with a niche market.

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Post by ghaff »

Ezhik wrote: post #526
ghaff wrote: post #403

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When I was still working full-time, a co-worker told me their kid had told them they didn't need or want a computer. Probably changes at some point with long writing assignments, etc. but still. I do increasingly think about whether I need to bring a laptop on various trips. It can be handy but I try to pack light and another few pounds is a lot for me. I've experimented with a newish tablet but it's a bit too in-bet…

I remember people would always be surprised about how home computer ownership was not that high but smartphones (well, Japanese "garakei") were were ubiquitous. I guess Japan was ahead of the curve once again.

Mini-computer sizes were pretty popular in Japan for a period even though they never really took off in the US--and pretty much died off entirely.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by lowwave »

raydev wrote: post #568
amluto wrote: post #473

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> when it comes to the point-of-sale, most people still choose the normal-size device with better screen/battery/camera. My theory is that much of this effect is an error, or at least a far-less-than-ideal effort, on the part of the designers. Of course it’s hard to sell a low-end “mini” device with a worse camera, worse battery life, etc. But that’s not actually what I, or many people I discuss this with, want. I wo…

> much of this effect is an error, or at least a far-less-than-ideal effort No, the vast majority of people use their phones as video viewers, increasingly so after the rise of TikTok. I have family members in their 30s who don't have laptops or TVs, all media is consumed through their phone, and for most kids/teens across the world it is their primary video consumption device. The average person is trying to maximiz…

>No, the vast majority of people use their phones as video viewers, increasingly so after the rise of TikTok. I have family members in their 30s who don't have laptops or TVs, all media is consumed through their phone, and for most kids/teens across the world it is their primary video consumption device.

That is one thing that is more disgusting about using a smart phone now days. When iPhone first came out it is about a music player and phone with extra features to facilitate real life things.

I don't want a freaking small computer in my pocket, and looking at small screens for long period of time is just NOT good for our eyes or postural.

We need to start treat these small devices as something we interact with very occasionally to facilitate real life interaction, not get our face stuck to it.

Not that working on laptop or workstation is much better, but it is better than writing on and viewing a video on small screen.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by Skunkleton »

kevincox wrote: post #601
Skunkleton wrote: post #567

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> Is it really that expensive to maintain a more niche line for each generation? Think of just the work that goes into having an assembly line customized for a specific form factor. To keep price, quality, and profit in line with their other phones I think the answer here is clearly yes.

Especially if having that line means only 1% more customers and 19% customers that just buy the small model instead of the other model. And unless you are launching the Mini Pro Max Ultra X you are losing money on that 9% of customers that would have bought the higher margin phone but instead bought the mini version which is only available at the more base model. (Numbers made up to illustrate the point)

I fall into that category. My first choice would be an iphone pro mini. My second choice is an iphone pro max. I refuse to explain my preferences.

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Post by tuesdaynight »

philipkglass wrote: post #592
franga2000 wrote: post #349

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Is OLED burn-in really something people still care about? I have a handful of OLED devices, some of which I've used daily for nearly 10 years, and none of them have any burn-in. I've never even seen burn-in on anything other than a signage TV, and that happens even on some LCDs.

I know someone who spends so much time with YouTube on their phone that the logo is visibly burned in to the screen. The phone is less than 2 years old.

Samsung smartphones are everywhere here and I've never seen a burn-in screen. Is there a difference between OLED and AMOLED? I thought that AMOLED was just a "flavor" of OLED.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #368
_carbyau_ wrote: post #47

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The issue is "bigger numbers" marketing. The story for much of smartphone history was the flagship had a bigger screen. But then it hit the practicable limits of what people can pocket/hold-comfortably. If you make a phone with a smaller screen but want to call it "flagship" then you'd better have some good marketing to reverse the perception.

Please note that Samsung flagship S24 is smaller than non-flagship A55 (the same release year)

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