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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #176

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Yes, startups are always a bit of a gamble, but this feels like a captain abandoning ship while it’s still full of sailors (many of whom have families depending on them). This really is a whole new level of getting screwed.

Isn't this the case for pretty much every startup that gets sold? Founders get a big pay day and leave within a couple years while 100 employees share a 1% of the company between themselves.

The difference between 1% and 0% is painful.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #607

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> - Tab completion model (Cursor's remaining moat) My local ollama + continue + Qwen 2.5 coder gives good tab completion with minimal latency; how much better is Cursor’s tab completion model? I’m still weary of letting LLM edit my code so my local setup gives me sufficient assistance with tab completion and occasional chat.

What kind of hardware are you using?

I use a laptop with 4090 16GB VRAM, core i9 and 96GB RAM for low latency work and Mac mini M4 for tasks which doesn’t require low latency.

I had written a blog on how I run LLM locally a while back[1] I’ll update the information on models & Mac mini soon.

[1] https://abishekmuthian.com/how-i-run-llms-locally/

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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I was so surprised (or shocked) to hear that Windsurf was getting acquired for 3 billion dollars, I made an HN post asking about the truth of that news - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43933825 . HN's system didn't like my tone I guess and removed it, lol. But in any case, I just can't see how AI code editors like Windsurf or Cursor, without any proprietary model, can be valued at billions. What's the underlyin…

> I just can't see how AI code editors like Windsurf or Cursor, without any proprietary model, can be valued at billions.

Windsurf used to be GPU rental company before they decided to make a text editor. I imagine they own a lot of silicon they are running their coding assistant on.

https://www.afp.com/en/infos/windsurf-launches-first-gpu-clu...

It's not a rinky-dinky startup that just forked VS Code in a month.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Jetbrain's Junie works incredibly well. I much prefer it over cursor's or continue's UI.

What does it offer that's better than running CC with Pycharm/Jetbrains?

I just tried it out. It does feel better than CC for some tasks .

I think what Junie does differently it has better context on what the IDE knows or sees , from what files are open or typedefs are loaded, I could achieve some simpler tasks with lesser prompts and less tokens and cycles than with CC or even windsurf.

Jetbrains has the best incentive to integrate deeply I imagine, it has always been question of execution, it seems a fairly robust system.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #30

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

I used it for about six weeks in the spring, at which point I tried cursor and found out that it was far better for my use case (backend Go): better and faster autocomplete that can work across files, less buggy UI, and it actually follows your rules.

I’m not bothered by this news — it’d be pretty shortsighted to assume that any of these disposable AI assistants will continue to exist forever.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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I think what everyone, including those programmers advocating coding agents, are forgetting is that if you can have a full time programmer for $200/m, then that becomes the new value of programming labour in the open market. IOW, the market will slowly but surely drive the labour rate for programming down to the cost of the cheapest coding agent. So, sure, boasting about a 10x speedo on boilerplate has good metrics,…

Hooray! So how do I fight this as a programmer? Because I have no interest in devaluing my skills with this crap, but unfortunately many others are all in!

> So how do I fight this as a programmer?

I wish I knew. I get a lot of joy out of programming and almost none from copy/pasting.

> Because I have no interest in devaluing my skills with this crap, but unfortunately many others are all in!

We are certainly living in Interesting Times.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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They are not worker owned, they have some small amount of worker ownership. But the majority of stock is never owned by workers, other than the CEO.

Consider also that VC funds often have pension funds as their limited partners. Workers have a claim to their pension, and thus a claim to the startup returns that the VC invests in. So yeah it basically comes down to your definition of "worker-owned". What fraction of worker ownership is necessary? Do C-level execs count as workers? Can it be "worker-owned" if the "workers" are people working elsewhere? Beyond the "…

It’s not “your definition”. Worker owned means the workers own the means of production. What you’re talking about is not that at all.

What changes is democracy in the work place.

You are confusing owning minority equity with what actual control gives you —- actual ownership of capital/MoP/assets/profits

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #625

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We don’t eat intelligence : bikes, bottles, food, energy… have room for improvement but I hardly see how AGI would replace them. Same for physical services like labors, miners and cooks, even taxi/bus drivers for +99% of the world. Automation immensely improve their efficiency and the Modern Times is the past for half of the globe, but AGI isn’t the main facilitator. Replace all (most*) Silicon Valley -and cousins- s…

You don’t see how robots would replace all these roles? I take it you never seen a Waymo or read about how agriculture needs a tiny fraction of humans in the US vs a couple of decades ago? And those aren’t even “AGI-level” solutions…

Waymo aren’t build, maintained and disposed by robots only. Even if they were we’ve still to see how that can be deployed (and make sense economically) to more than a couple percentiles of the richest people in the top cities. That has nothing in common with "replacing the humans".

Agriculture efficiency mainly comes from last century fertilizer. The modern robot trucks are also limited to some richest countries and farmers and have nothing to do with AGI.

Your vague dream of AGI solutionism missed the barriers to technologie deployment: raw ressources availability, politics, demography, energy… IA can have a small impact there but it certainly won’t replace ALL products. How would a computer replace a mining truck or a reactor turbine?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

I never understood why those tools need to fork Visual Studio Code. Wouldn't an extension suffice?

I've really struggled with using the extensions - their UI/UX is worse, they're much more limited in what they can do and they're much more unstable (in IntelliJ at least).

Then again writing mostly kotlin I cannot get along with the VS Code forks as they're just not that great outside of typescript projects in my experience.

I tend to prompt in cursor/windsurf and refactor in IntelliJ which is okay but a bit of a pain.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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It’s not about a single line diff but the same prompts with cursor does not end costing that much

Yes - do you understand why?

Yes I do, it’s just for new comers who are used to cursor where, without careful prompting you just lock yourself out of premium requests, that’s not immediately a given that CC is more dangerous and does not work the same way at all. Of course it requires careful planning but the trap is easy to fall into.
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