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Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by Davidzheng »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #99
iandanforth wrote: post #15

I love how fragmented Google's Gemini offerings are. I'm a Pro subscriber, but I now learn I should be a "Gemini Code Assist Standard or Enterprise" user to get additional usage. I didn't even know that existed! As a run of the mill Google user I get a generous usage tier but paying them specifically for "Gemini" doesn't get me anything when it comes to "Gemini CLI". Delightful!

Google is fumbling the bag so badly with the pricing. Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best model I've used (even better than o3 IMO) and yet there's no simple Claude/Cursor like subscription to just get full access. Nevermind Enterprise users too, where OpenAI has it locked up.

Just go on AI Studio?

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by Davidzheng »

sameermanek wrote: post #373

Gemini is by far the most confusing product of all time. The paid version for it is available in 3 forms: 1. Gemini pro (which gets you more google drive storage and some form of access to veo so people obviously get that) 2. Google AI studio, just to piss off redmond devs and which is used by no one outside google 3. This CLI, which has its own plan. Then there are 3rd party channels, if you have a recent samsung ph…

I think AI studio is the best form factor and cheapest?

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by sofixa »

Fluorescence wrote: post #222
diegof79 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google suffers from Microsoft's issues: it has products for almost everything, but its confusing product messaging dilutes all the good things it does. I like Gemini 2.5 Pro, too, and recently, I tried different AI products (including the Gemini Pro plan) because I wanted a good AI chat assistant for everyday use. But I also wanted to reduce my spending and have fewer subscriptions. The Gemini Pro subscription is inc…

> The Gemini Pro subscription is included with Google One It's not in Basic, Standard or Premium. It's in a new tier called "Google AI Pro" which I think is worth inclusion in your catalogue of product confusion. Oh wait, there's even more tiers that for some reason can't be paid for annually. Weird... why not? "Google AI Ultra" and some others just called Premium again but now include AI. 9 tiers, 5 called Premium,…

> It's not in Basic, Standard or Premium.

For me, it shows all the Gemini stuff in Premium, even the 5TB version.

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by CGamesPlay »

I used this a fair amount today. My first impressions are that it feels a bit worse to use than Claude Code (understandable given a day 1 product), and the lying progress indicator is extremely annoying.

It generates a bunch of fake activity indicators based on your prompt, then cycles through them on a timer. It has no bearing on the actual activity going on underneath.

It appears to be much slower than Claude Code, possibly due to being overloaded, but it feels like it thinks a lot more before beginning to suggest file edits. The permissions aren't as nice either. Where Claude Code suggests "allow uv run pytest without approval", Gemini suggests "allow uv run without approval", which is broader than I would like.

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by fhinkel »

dcreater wrote: post #540
ipsum2 wrote: post #518

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you did a good job CYA on this, but what people were really looking for was a way to opt-out of Google collecting code, similar to the opt-out process for the IDE is available.

Yeah how is opt out of data collection not an option? This is what they mean by don't be evil and Google is proving yet again that they truly are

Usage statistics includes "your prompts and answers", see the last paragraph in the ToS. I have no idea why legal insists we write "statistics" rather than "data".

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by breakingcups »

data-ottawa wrote: post #553
ZeroCool2u wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally my theory is that Gemini benefits from being able to train on Googles massive internal code base and because Rust has been very low on uptake internally at Google, especially since they have some really nice C++ tooling, Gemini is comparatively bad at Rust.

Tangental, but I worry that LLMs will cause a great stagnation in programming language evolution, and possibly a bunch of tech. I've tried using a few new languages and the LLMs would all swap the code for syntactically similar languages, even after telling them to read the doc pages. Whether that's for better or worse I don't know, but it does feel like new languages are genuinely solving hard problems as their rais…

Not just that, I think this will happen on multiple levels too. Think de-facto ossified libraries, tools, etc.

LLMs thrive because they had a wealth of high-quality corpus in the form os Stack Overflow, Github, etc. and ironically their uptake is causing a strangulation of that source of training data.

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by blurrybird »

kridsdale3 wrote: post #451
thimabi wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally my theory is that Gemini benefits from being able to train on Googles massive internal code base But does Google actually train its models on its internal codebase? Considering that there’s always the risk of the models leaking proprietary information and security architecture details, I hardly believe they would run that risk.

Googler here. We have a second, isolated model that has trained on internal code. The public Gemini AFAIK has never seen that content. The lawyers would explode.

What model do your lawyers run on?

Re: Gemini CLI

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Post by beepdyboop »

Compare the user experience of exploring the suite of AI products from each company (OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, xAI, etc).

It is vastly more difficult to understand what Google is offering compared to the others, to what cost, getting an API-key or similar, understanding usage/billing across the suite, etc.

I wouldn't expect any regular person to bother signing up for any of Google's products, let alone understand what they're really offering.

Re: Gemini CLI

#660

Post by Yizahi »

diegof79 wrote: post #194
iandanforth wrote: post #15

I love how fragmented Google's Gemini offerings are. I'm a Pro subscriber, but I now learn I should be a "Gemini Code Assist Standard or Enterprise" user to get additional usage. I didn't even know that existed! As a run of the mill Google user I get a generous usage tier but paying them specifically for "Gemini" doesn't get me anything when it comes to "Gemini CLI". Delightful!

Google suffers from Microsoft's issues: it has products for almost everything, but its confusing product messaging dilutes all the good things it does. I like Gemini 2.5 Pro, too, and recently, I tried different AI products (including the Gemini Pro plan) because I wanted a good AI chat assistant for everyday use. But I also wanted to reduce my spending and have fewer subscriptions. The Gemini Pro subscription is inc…

I had no idea I had a Gemini Pro sub included in One sub all this time. Thanks for the tip :)

Google is really bad at effective advertising.

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