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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
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#652It's clear that many commenters here are operating from completely different factual bases, in terms of who did what, and in what order. Fog of war seems to be in effect.
It takes a lot of words to convince people not to believe what they can see for themselves in video.
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#653Earlier quoted context omitted.
So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Australia has some of the strictest border policies (drastically more strict than us). Do you believe they’re just racist policies too?
> So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Your response is a straw man. Be better. FWIW I don’t agree with OP in that there isn’t a single cause, but racism definitely plays a role.
Doesn't seem like a straw man to me. It's an extension of the unsupported claim that the cause for the action is racism. False equivalence perhaps. But I think the problem is that "The cause for the action is racism" doesn't actually contain an argument at all. It's just an unfounded opinion.
And then "Anything else is denial" shows a myopic, closed minded viewpoint, suggesting any further discussion would be pointless. As is most internet chatter on this type of matter.
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#654This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.
there's a reason why people remember kent state.
Kent State is a classic case of historical revision. The majority of Americans supported the National Guard’s actions, in part because they were in valid fear for their lives after the rioters started throwing bricks at their heads.
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Move to another country where they ban politicians for being right wing, like France
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#657Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If illegal immigration is such a problem, It isn't remotely the problem or even in the same galaxy as needing this type of response. The cause for the actions is racism. The protests are due to calling out racism and removing due process. Anything else is denial or sophistry, that's the simple truth.
So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Australia has some of the strictest border policies (drastically more strict than us). Do you believe they’re just racist policies too?
Australia, a white settler colony in the southern hemisphere, racist? Yeah, I dont find that hard to believe at all. Why would you use that as an example?
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#658The irony is that one of the main rails upon which the MAGA train rides is States rights. But then, Trump was always going to be a rule breaker, not least to his own supporters, in the end all that will be left will be absolute fealty to the chief
> The irony is that one of the main rails upon which the MAGA train rides is States rights. No it's not. They just like slavery. If it was about states rights they wouldn't support sending in the military. What I find shocking about comments like yours is the reminder that propaganda works. Someone in the republican party decided "guys, advocating for slavery openly doesn't go over well, let's tell them it's actually…
> If it was about states rights they wouldn't support sending in the military.
I'm not in support of administration or MAGA.
But, to be pedantic, you can be for states' rights, but against states overstepping Federal powers.
Immigration is, currently, a Federal power.
Who is and is not a citizen is not a state's decision.
Just because you're in favor of state's rights (I am), does not mean you think every single issue should be a state's issue.
Maybe you'd like each state to fund their own SS and Medicare. But that's not how it is. And it's unlikely to ever happen.
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#659Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?
> declare they simply cannot handle the influx They cannot handle it with the resources being given. This is true for the red states like Texas and what not, the social services we do have struggle to handle the load. But we're choosing to let these systems struggle . We could solve it if we chose to do so. In 2020 our population was ~330 million people. Even if 12 million people immigrated to the United States, that…
And that's a population of millions admittedly including many minors and major barriers to thriving, but overall far fewer elderly or disabled people than the general population. Boosting immigration is only an economic drag if you structure the asylum/immigration process to prevent people from working, which we do now seemingly to punish communities that accept immigrants.
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they were peacefully protesting, then the cops showed up and escalated the situation. Then there were small amounts of disorder. Then the media does what it does, the rightwing media goes for hyperbole (it's a third word situation, the city is on fire, etc) the leftwing parrots what the cops say 'riots' (two waymos on fire is not a riot, it's a protest with agitators, arrest the agitators, no collection of thousands of people with their blood up is ever going to be perfect. How many fights outside of any stadium after any football game). Then it has spiraled from there. Deploying active duty military into a US city to quell 'riots' won't do anything but get people killed.
During CHAZ/CHOP in seattle, I lived across town, if I didn't watch the news I wouldn't have known anything was happening. My GF lived within two blocks of the 'zone', it didn't effect her one bit. In fact it was a bit of a party atmosphere in the area with all the painting of street murals and all. Eventually some kids decided to agitate the situation by stealing a car (i think that's what the final determination was) and tear assing all over (like literally off roading into the park in and around occupied tents). This riled up the 2nd amendment types who declared themselves the CHOP/CHAZ police and they shot the kids. It was tragic and it sullied the whole situation.
To watch the national news you would have thought that all of seattle was on literal fire and there were roving gangs all over the city. Don't trust the broadcast media narrative of these situations.