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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by bookofjoe »

vel0city wrote: post #591
Leynos wrote: post #571

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Interesting. It's illegal to drive without insurance in the UK.

It's illegal to drive without insurance in Texas as well. It's also illegal to murder someone and yet people still do it from time to time. Stealing is illegal and yet stuff gets stolen. Drunk driving is illegal and yet people drive drunk. Turns out just making something illegal doesn't completely stop the action. When we build our societies where you need to drive to function it's not surprising people will continue…

>Approximately 17% of drivers on California roads are uninsured, according to statistics from 2022 presented by the Insurance Information Institute. This means nearly 6 million drivers in California may be unable to compensate those injured in accidents.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by pixxel »

shlant wrote: post #590
pc86 wrote: post #584

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Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

> monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever. Is that what the bill proposes? everyone's vehicle is now monitored all the time?

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by 542354234235 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #202
AshleyGrant wrote: post #199

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> What happens if you've been drinking not expecting to go anywhere before you learn you need to evacuate immediately because of a wildfire? I have my own concerns about the technology in question, but frankly this is a terrible example. If you have already proven to make such terrible decisions that you have been court-ordered to have a breathalyzer installed in your car and then you choose to get drunk as a wildfir…

Wildfires move fast and "a wildfire is likely" is a condition that can persist for months on end in some places. There are also people who are addicted to alcohol. "People with that medical condition should literally die in a fire" is not a great take.

People with that medical condition should make alternative plans. If you are an alcoholic, so much so that you have driven drunk so many times that you were caught and convicted multiple times and required to have an interlock device installed, then you need account for that. There are plenty of people who don’t own a car at all, so lets not pretend that we are talking about taking away someone’s pacemaker.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by bookofjoe »

shlant wrote: post #590
pc86 wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

> monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever. Is that what the bill proposes? everyone's vehicle is now monitored all the time?

That ship has sailed.

>I drove 300 miles in rural Virginia, then asked police to send me their public surveillance footage of my car. Here’s what I learned.

https://cardinalnews.org/2025/03/28/i-drove-300-miles-in-rur...

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by GuB-42 »

lloeki wrote: post #350
GuB-42 wrote: post #205

There are cars that can go way over 100 mph, and they almost all speed controlled by software. High performance cars are often speed limited by software to about 150 mph. How is this legal? Cars with speed limits that high belong to the track, not public roads, with a possible exception for emergency vehicles. There are some rare (emergency) situations where "superspeeding" might help, but I can think of many others…

> People love their fast cars, especially the rich and powerful Too much correlation, not enough causation here. Only "rich people" can afford pricey cars, while there are with much certainty "non rich people" that enjoy fast cars. And there are a ton of affordable cars that can go 200kph+, or that can be riced into being able to do so.

The reason I mentioned the rich and powerful is not in a sense that you have to get rich to drive fast. In fact, with a good motorbike, you can leave supercars in the dust for the price of the cheapest cars.

The reasons I mentioned this goes the other way: the rich and powerful have more influence than the average guy, by definition. And they tend to like fast cars, it is a status symbol and they can afford it, and there is no denying that driving fast can be enjoyable. It means that they are going to do what they can (which is a lot) to keep the privilege.

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Post by ryao »

sgarland wrote: post #618
ryao wrote: post #517

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Explain how the German autobahn has fewer collisions than US high ways with lower than 85th percentile speed limits if the lower speed limits are such an advantage. Actual data does not support the idea of low speed limits. They are only in place as an attempt to reduce fleet fuel consumption, and hurt safety by causing big differences in vehicle speeds.

As others have pointed out, the inspection standards are wildly different. Here’s [0] an amusing and eye-opening look at what is needed to restore an older vehicle to pass inspection. For example, removing surface rust on a spare tire mount. Even then, he still failed inspection [1], and goes into much more detail on the rigorous checks performed. In contrast, there are U.S. states with zero inspections of any kind.…

Here is the NYS vehicle inspection program requirements:

https://dmv.ny.gov/new-york-state-vehicle-safetyemissions-in...

If there is anything missing that is needed for road safety, I am sure that the NYS legislature would be happy to add it. You can write to them with your findings.

In any case, there is an inspection program that keeps vehicles to a minimum standard in NYS. Other states could easily adopt it. If a significant percentage of vehicles are deemed unsafe to drive because of this, then removing them from the road would be a good thing.

> Finally, re: speed limits, it’s unclear to me how you think Newton’s 2nd Law doesn’t apply.

It is unclear to me how you think I think that. This sounds like a strawman to me.

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Post by hammock »

zdragnar wrote: post #207
hammock wrote: post #194

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Today. But, no reason why we couldn’t change the rules to let these vehicles travel in the right lane only. Just as trucks are restricted so on certain highways.

Technically, everyone is expected to drive in the right most lane unless they are passing or there is a left-hand exit coming up. This would just force average speed drivers into the left lanes and slow traffic down overall, and contribute to more traffic jams as the uneven speeds cause ripple effects.

Yes and yes it would but I thought the point was people are driving too fast.

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Post by potato3732842 »

Leynos wrote: post #571
ChoGGi wrote: post #541

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You're assuming they have insurance. I think it's something like 1-5 don't have insurance in Texas.

Interesting. It's illegal to drive without insurance in the UK.

It's all but illegal in the US too but the feedback loop of increased cost, increased regulation, increased mandates for insurance has driven up the cost enough that the baseline cost of compliance is so high that unless you're solidly in the middle class driving expired/unregistered beaters with no insurance and abandoning them to impound every now and then and/or pleading financial hardship with the courts is preferable.

And when most people running expired or no reg are just everyday working stiffs and most of them can't afford huge fines it's neither useful as a pretext for fishing nor revenue so the harassment by cops stops happening. And the rhetoric of the voting public has pretty firmly against the cops harassing the crap out of people recently too.

No amount of screeching about how these people should be stomped by the jackboot for noncompliance will make the economics of that pencil out for the state. You force these people to pay up either to the state or the insurers and they won't be able to live at their current economic level and they'll just turn right back around and be on the section 8 and welfare rolls which is probably worse for the public good. It's just a shitty situation no matter how you cut it.

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Post by bookofjoe »

toss1 wrote: post #601
pc86 wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how incarcerating people who are guilty of a crime is unconscionable but monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately is totally fine and no problem whatsoever.

>>monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately That is a 100% strawman argument. NO ONE is proposing such measures No proposal, even the blanket EU requirements eliminate privacy in travel. The devices all work entirely locally with GPS to monitor speed vs local limits, and upon exceeding local limits, output an audio/tactile alert and/or limit accelerator inp…

>Again, no one is proposing monitoring everyone all the time.

I repeat: that ship has sailed

>I drove 300 miles in rural Virginia, then asked police to send me their public surveillance footage of my car. Here’s what I learned.

https://cardinalnews.org/2025/03/28/i-drove-300-miles-in-rur...

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