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Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Google already owns GCP. Wiz obviously built something that differentiates themselves and fills a need. I am sure they support GCP. If so, why would google not copy and develop this functionality themselves instead of buying them out? Among the wiz customers if they use GCP already then surely they will be willing to try the functionality of google builds it. If the customer doesn’t use GCP, chances are they wont mov…

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Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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This deal isn't about security, it's about data. Google already have one of the best security teams in the industry - Project Zero [0]. They don't need Wiz's "enterprise" expertise for security. This deal is about DATA. Wiz, as a cybersecurity vendor, have full remote access to their customers cloud compute storage (EC2 EBS volumes, etc) in the name of "security scanning" - this is actually part of their unique selli…

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Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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> They're suave arsim (how else can you blend in Beirut or Tehran). To save others looking up what 'suave arsim' meant: 1. suave -- a normal English the word for charming/confident 2. "arsim" [1] -- apparently a former ethnic slur for Mizrahi Jews [2] now repurposed to mean crude, loud and brash (which sound to me like the equivalent of the British slang term 'chav'). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_(slang) [2]…

It was a bad attempt at humor, but pretty much my point is there are a couple other cybersecurity/sigint specific units unrelated to Mossad. And "arsim" isn't as loaded a term anymore - everyone is mixed in Israel now because it's a melting pot. And saying "Mossad"-this/"Mossad"-that just feels like it's increasingly being used as a dogwhistle.

I mean, it is used as a substitution for 'Israel', but I don't see how that's a dogwhistle. Or do you mean antisemitic?

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

#655

This makes no sense. Assume 1,000 customers each generating $2m in ARR with contracts. That’s $2 billion. Assume generous 6x ARR valuation, that’s $12 billion. Where is this $20 billion premium coming from? How could the board approve this? How is this fair to shareholders? Heck, as a minor shareholder in GOOG, I don’t find this financially responsible at all. I can’t help but think sometimes these tech acquisitions…

Same fears we're very loud when Google bought YouTube. GOOG fell 15% because of that IIRC.

It was a huge bet, it paid off for many reasons, not least luck.

I remember 2005/2006 there were many websites competing for the video-website role, YouTube's luck was that...they were very permissive on uploads while competitors like Vimeo e.g. employed a reasonable amount of content moderators.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Unless you're talking about some specific Wiz customer contracts, how do you know? AFAIK, there are no explicit laws forbidding that. Maybe you could share what law you think this would be breaking?

OP mentioned training AI on customer data GDPR, CCPA, HIPAA, etc, as Google has no way of knowing which data they will train on, add to that copyright and that's just off the top of my head cloud contract obligations are also pretty clear about customer data. furthermore it would be bad engineering and security if Wiz had actual direct access to customer data, versus having their code having access to said data. That…

I've been consistently surprised at how common bad engineering and security practices seem to be within the security vendor space though. So idk this just makes it sound more plausible to me cause this would be exactly the type of company to have a scandal like that.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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"Trust" screams insecurity. Security is in the direction of trustless rather than requiring trust. Do you trust companies which say front and center "you can trust us"? Wiz is a "security product"? Security isn't something you can buy and bolt on to your systems as an afterthought. It doesn't work like that!

I’m honestly not sure what your point, if any, is.

That the security software industry is kind of full of shit sometimes is I think what they were getting at.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

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Thats the kind of a company everyone wants to build in enterprise security. Incognito unicorns. There are many companies like these in security space. Another company I can think of is Rubrik. All these large security companies under the radar success.

most people here are also in security and still haven't heard. It's more likely backroom kickbacks (and/or mossad) than invisible unicorn.

Ya, Mossad's primary task is enterprise sales for Israeli tech.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

#659

This makes no sense. Assume 1,000 customers each generating $2m in ARR with contracts. That’s $2 billion. Assume generous 6x ARR valuation, that’s $12 billion. Where is this $20 billion premium coming from? How could the board approve this? How is this fair to shareholders? Heck, as a minor shareholder in GOOG, I don’t find this financially responsible at all. I can’t help but think sometimes these tech acquisitions…

Imagine you are a company, like Wiz, that is still growing fast. Sure, your valuation could be based on revenue today. But why would you sell if you're "worth" $12bn right now, but you'll be "worth" 32bn in a few years? Why give up the control? The only way for a company like Google to buy Wiz is to add a premium. Otherwise the company will just say "no". This literally happened to Figma as well. And there is a histo…

Slightly OT but it kinda triggers me this abuse of company's worth and value words are consistently used instead of priced.

Re: Google to buy Wiz for $32B

#660

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Thats the kind of a company everyone wants to build in enterprise security. Incognito unicorns. There are many companies like these in security space. Another company I can think of is Rubrik. All these large security companies under the radar success.

most people here are also in security and still haven't heard. It's more likely backroom kickbacks (and/or mossad) than invisible unicorn.

That is totally unfounded. Their book of business is huge. You think Google is paying 32B of shareholder dollars because of a foreign intelligence agency? Keep your conspiracism to yourself.
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