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Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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Post by uoaei »

innocentoldguy wrote: post #624
alpha_squared wrote: post #102

It feels like Musk is single-handedly making a great case for why unlimited accumulation of wealth is a bad idea. It's pretty colorful language, but my mind immediately jumps to "financial terrorist". He's using his enormous amount of wealth and influence as a weapon to bludgeon anyone and anything in his way.

I disagree. I understand that Musk invested in OpenAI under the understanding that ChatGPT would remain open source. He has expressed dissatisfaction with the direction OpenAI has taken ChatGPT and wants to return it to its original charitable mission. He paid millions of dollars for something that OpenAI didn't deliver, so I can understand him wanting to bring the project back inline with the vision he paid for. I v…

You may not believe this, but there is no moral quality to money, spent or otherwise. There is no mandate and no value to obeying Musk's wishes.

If he wants to, he could apply legal mechanisms. The fact he's resorting to public pandering to sycophants to back him in his righteous cause suggests that he has exhausted those legal means.

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Post by SergeAx »

xnx wrote: post #124
typs wrote: post #78

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ChatGPT is an extremely successful consumer product. Looking at Search traffic alone indicates they clearly have large brand value. Usage doesn't just depend on just benchmarks for most consumers.

> indicates they clearly have large brand value BlackBerry, Nokia, Yahoo, and MySpace were popular at one point but couldn't keep up.

Yahoo is still website number 7 or 8 in the US.

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Post by innocentoldguy »

briffle wrote: post #346
jredwards wrote: post #168

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I liked Elon until about 2018. Since then he's gradually degraded from "interesting founder" to "guy who picks fights about weird topics on the internet" to "absurdist oligarch actively working to destroy institutions which support average Americans." I certainly suspect that there were always elements of what he's become that just weren't as publicly apparent.

Yep, hard to respect a guy who spent how many years screaming that full self driving will be out by next quarter!?

My Tesla drives itself virtually everywhere. All I have to do is look out the window, which I'd do anyway. The only times I control my Tesla are when pulling in and out of my garage and when I need to get it going so FSD can take over (and occasionally when parking).

I'm happy with it.

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Post by gen220 »

ben_w wrote: post #429
amazingamazing wrote: post #334

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It took a while, and a huge investment from the US to avoid the locals flocking to the DDR. (The Soviets, unable to put in as big an investment, built the wall to stop DDR citizens from making the opposite trip).

The history of the border between the DDR and FRG is quite nuanced and interesting. The Iron Curtain was more of a cooperative effort, especially early on, and especially outside of Berlin.

Worthwhile reading on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Burned-Bridge-East-Germans-Curtain/dp....

In some ways, the existence of a physical border begat the political and economic division, as much as the other way around!

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Post by ulfw »

gonzo41 wrote: post #348
margalabargala wrote: post #288

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We'll see. After throwing out a few Nazi salutes, Tesla sales have been tanking in Europe.

And Australia. Musk drove everyone in BYD's arms.

and plenty of other great cars. Zeekr X looks tasty. So many choices Americans won't ever have because Musk owns that country now.

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Post by chrisco255 »

smrtinsert wrote: post #349
Layvier wrote: post #214

> "It's time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was," Musk said in the press release. "We will make sure that happens."" From the creator of Grok, this is such an insane thing to say

Didn't X have to ban Grok output due to what their own users were making?

No, it's live and free for all X users.

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Post by viraptor »

EA-3167 wrote: post #576
_huayra_ wrote: post #391

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Easy: buy media companies to sow political division and pollute the discourse, buy political influence to restrict access to open and unbiased education to ensure the populace cannot engage in critical thinking, then poison the environment in myriad ways until people in their 20s require a dozen rounds of IVF to have kids (or more likely, just giving up because of the ruinious state of inflation compared to incomes).

Come on... endlessly wealthy and wants to do harm? There's only one real, obvious answer: Engineer a plague, or a series of plagues targeting food crops, livestock, and humans. Make something as contagious as measles that kills a third of people reliably, spread it multiple global focal points at once, and you could topple the world pretty effectively. If you attacked the economy and food supply at the same time I do…

> could do entirely legally.

> Engineer a plague, or a series of plagues targeting food crops, livestock, and humans.

I think you missed a constraint there.

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Post by llamaimperative »

rybosworld wrote: post #643
Geee wrote: post #602

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I disagree. Wealth accumulation is absolutely a good thing. Elon does good things. EVs, rockets, Starlink, Neuralink etc. This is stuff that people want. More capital is allocated to good things when the same person can manage more capital. Elon's wealth is mostly in the things he has built himself. In addition, Elon isn't even that rich, when compared to other entities, which aren't a singular person. As an example,…

Why would it be valid to compare a company's AUM to someone's personal net worth? Blackrock doesn't control how the vast majority of that money is spent...

Because otherwise the weird mental contortions get super uncomfortable!

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Post by rlt »

dustingetz wrote: post #227
TrackerFF wrote: post #177

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How much of it is tied up to a criminally overvalued Tesla stock though? Sure, Tesla could go to zero and he'd still be a fabulously wealthy man, but with how things are moving - It wouldn't surprise me that he's about the fall down the ranks. Let's see how much power he has once the "richest man in the world" aura fades away.

was looking for a musk margin call in 2023, no such luck, now he’s VP and markets are still fake

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Post by chrisco255 »

Layvier wrote: post #214

> "It's time for OpenAI to return to the open-source, safety-focused force for good it once was," Musk said in the press release. "We will make sure that happens."" From the creator of Grok, this is such an insane thing to say

Grok-1 was open-sourced. Grok-2 has yet to be open sourced, but perhaps they will once they launch Grok-3.
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