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Re: Nobody cares

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Post by ceth »

bibelo wrote: post #537

I totally agree with the article and the examples. Problem here in France is the same: many people do not care. I would not say it's a majority, but a minority is enough to ruin other people's lives. I'm really annoyed by the noise. From the deafening motorbike engine in the street, to the idiot with his speaker vomitting rap music, to the neighbor having a party until 3AM, they do not care. Why is that? Mostly becau…

I agree also with most of the rant but the part about state/municipal jobs looks a bit unfair to me. If you have ever volonteer or worked for this kind of job, you could find that many people are so ungrateful: only few care to answer polls or attend public meetings, almost nobody cares about the why. But when something changes, lots of loud mouths shout rants like this one. People sometimes don't imagine how hard this is to have basic consensus on anything when there is lots of people in a group. Doing anything is also so complicated nowadays with the numerous parts involved in any decision, each one having their own priority set and timelines, the constraints of the law...

The care is certainly not the only reason of having broken things.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by benjijay »

culi wrote: post #237
azeirah wrote: post #210

> The McDonald's touch-screen self-order kiosk takes 27 clicks to get a meal. They try to up-sell you 3 times. Just let me pay for my fucking burger, Jesus Christ. The product manager, the programmer, the executives. None of these people care. I was working in this space! And I got fired for refusing to work on more upsell features for clients like Coca Cola and such. I don't want to work on adding fucking ADS into c…

if you don't, someone else will. Maybe you could've introduced a "bug" that makes it so it usually doesn't work except when a member of the QA team is looking at it :P

Volkswagen already had this idea...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by cassepipe »

tqi wrote: post #425

Its ironic, because this dude doesn't seem to care enough to even the slightest bit of research to understand why any of these problems he highlights are the way they are, and lazily attributes everything to OTHER people not caring. LEDs last longer, are more energy efficient, and also reduce light pollution because they are more directional[1]. Took me 30 seconds to google. There are enormous design standards for de…

Ok for LEDs and your general point but for the bike lane situation you are kind of shooting yourself in the foot : It's either non-standard compliant bike lane, which is a problem, or it is standard compliant and then it means that the standard is a broad, inflexible set of rules dictated from the top which is either too complicated for people in charge of the implementation or leaves them no room to adapt to a special case... or probably do not incentivize the implementers to think about what they are doing, all of which is a also a problem.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by throwaway290 »

addicted wrote: post #615
throwaway290 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And only one of them is directly pertinent. None of the "decades of data" takes into account correct exploitation. But all talks about leds are about perfect spherical cow in vacuum that doesn't exist for average consumer I am sure leds technically do live longer than bulbs. But the difference is not significant enough in real life.

Since only apparently anecdotes count as pertinent for you, here’s one. I haven’t bought a bulb in over 12 years. My LEDs have simply not gone out. I had changed bulbs nearly every 6 months before that. Maybe spring the extra couple of dollars and get high quality LEDs.

Not anecdotes but practical data. Yes if you power cycle tungsten all the time at maximum brightness they will not live long (when I was a kid we used them this way and changed them often). Read my comment about correct exploitation

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by throwaway290 »

easygenes wrote: post #567
throwaway290 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And only one of them is directly pertinent. None of the "decades of data" takes into account correct exploitation. But all talks about leds are about perfect spherical cow in vacuum that doesn't exist for average consumer I am sure leds technically do live longer than bulbs. But the difference is not significant enough in real life.

Look up Dubai Philips LEDs. The problem with most consumer LEDs is that they are overdriven, so their life is short. In Dubai, the Sheikh basically mandated that the bulbs need to be underdriven, so the lifetime is about 25x that of incandescents. They only deliver about 1/4 the power to the individual “filament” that most similar Philips lamps would at the same light output. https://hackaday.com/2021/01/17/leds-from…

That is interesting.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by Havoc »

It’s not a case of not caring, but rather caring about something else more. If you live in a country that emphasizes profit and watching out for self as priority then yeah you’re not going to get a whole lot of wholesome selfless community minded behavior.

It’s not really a fault of the individual but rather a necessary consequence of the collective priorities.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by pards »

vv_ wrote: post #497

My experience is that such indifference comes with seniority. Unfortunately most people tend to try and change things outside of their control, ignoring what they can change and quickly burn out. With that said: > It's painful to work with people who don't care if you care a lot, and eventually I left because of it. This really hits home as it's happened to me several times. Eventually, you stop caring as well and ju…

> It's painful to work with people who don't care if you care a lot, and eventually I left because of it.

I have a few people on my team that do not care and seem to be incapable of caring. I'm trying to get them removed but it takes months.

In the meantime, I'm deeply worried that the solid performers will find other opportunities and leave because they can find new jobs in a few weeks.

The Dead Sea effect in action [0] (and HN responses [1]).

[0]: http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/11/the-wetware-crisis-the-d...

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23166786

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by wat10000 »

listenallyall wrote: post #523
wat10000 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies don’t care about you, they care about your wallet, extraction of money from. The most pleasant companies to deal with are the ones who have found a niche where customer satisfaction helps with the goal of wallet, extraction from. But at best it’s a means to an end, and McDonald’s is definitely not one of those companies.

The article was about not caring at all, as in total apathy. Not "we're going to work really hard to purposely create anti-patterns."

I understand that, but it included this particular example which doesn’t fit. I guarantee the people at McDonald’s in charge of the kiosk design care a great deal about wallet.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by helboi4 »

presentation wrote: post #628
helboi4 wrote: post #586

I really do not care but that is because the economy has incentivised me to get into work I don't care about. It is completely unprofitable to do things I do care about. So I don't do them. So everything I do do, I don't care about. Of course, I would hope if I was a doctor or sth where I really affected people's lives, I would care just for their sake if nothing else. But I'm a developer. It's really not that deep.…

If everybody followed their hearts deepest passions, we’d all be starving.

I do see your point. But that is why what the article describes is an inevitable problem.

Edit: I also do think that if I didn't do my job, nobody would be starving, and I am greatly overcompensated for it. Doctors, nurses, teachers, farmers... all of those jobs that are wildly more important for society to function are way less paid than my job fixing bugs in a corporate website, which is a fundamental flaw in the system if the aim is to incentivise people to keep society running well. For example, I know someone who is a doctor who is trying to leave to work at a hedge fund because the work is so under-compensated. This is a massive problem.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by throwaway290 »

Ekaros wrote: post #568
throwaway290 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And only one of them is directly pertinent. None of the "decades of data" takes into account correct exploitation. But all talks about leds are about perfect spherical cow in vacuum that doesn't exist for average consumer I am sure leds technically do live longer than bulbs. But the difference is not significant enough in real life.

Leds themselves are often fine for long time. It is the circuits they are powered by that are very often crap, poorly designed, specified, too cheap. So heat can kill it. Or like my last cheap powerful bulb in kitchen that flickers when I have certain controlled resistive loads on. I wonder how many tests are run in actual enclosures for example. Which for example might not dissipate enough heat.

One of the dead lights that died was above the stove so could be heat related. Other 2 maybe just bad circuits...

I think it is too expensive to run tests in real life changing conditions

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