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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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I guess I get to brag now. ARC AGI has no real defences against Big Data, memorisation-based approaches like LLMs. I told you so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42344336 And that answers my question about fchollet's assurances that LLMs without TTT (Test Time Training) can't beat ARC AGI: [me] I haven't had the chance to read the papers carefully. Have they done ablation studies? For instance, is the following…

How are the Bongard Problems going?

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Can I just say what a dick move it was to do this as a 12 days of Christmas. I mean to be honest I agree with the arguments this isn’t as impressive as my initial impression, but they clearly intended it to be shocking/a show of possible AGI, which is rightly scary. It feels so insensitive to that right before a major holiday when the likely outcome is a lot of people feeling less secure in their career/job/life. Tha…

This is a you problem. Yes there will be pain in short term, but it will be worth it in long term.

Many of us look forward to what a future with AGI can do to help humanity and hopefully change society for the better, mainly to achieve a post scarcity economy.

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I just graduated college, and this was a major blow. I studied Mechanical Engineering and went into Sales Engineering because cause I love technology and people, but articles like this do nothing but make me dread the future. I have no idea what to specialize in, what skills I should master, or where I should be spending my time to build a successful career. Seems like we’re headed toward a world where you automate s…

It's a tool. You learn to master it or not. I have greybeard coworkers that dissed the technology as a fad 3 years ago. Now they are scrambling to catch up. They have to do this while sustaining a family with pets and kids and mortgages and full time senior jobs.

You're in a position to invest substantial amounts of time compared to your seniors. Leverage that opportunity to your advantage.

We all have access to these tools for the most part, so the distinguishing factor is how much time you invest and how much more ambitious you become once you begin to master the tool.

This time its no different. Many Mechanical and Sales students in the past never got jobs in those fields either. Decades before AI. There were other circumstances and forces at play and a degree is not a guaranteed career in anything.

Keep going because what we DO know is that trying wont guarantee results, we DO know that giving up definitely won't. Roll the dice in your favor.

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I just graduated college, and this was a major blow. I studied Mechanical Engineering and went into Sales Engineering because cause I love technology and people, but articles like this do nothing but make me dread the future. I have no idea what to specialize in, what skills I should master, or where I should be spending my time to build a successful career. Seems like we’re headed toward a world where you automate s…

Hey man,

I hear you, I’m not that much older but I graduated in 2011. I also studied industrial design. At that time the big wave was the transition to an app based everything and UX design suddenly became the most in demand design skill. Most of my friends switched gears and careers to digital design for the money. I stuck to what I was interested in though which was sustainability and design and ultimately I’m very happy with where I ended up (circular economy) but it was an awkward ~10 years as I explored learning all kinds of tools and ways applying my skills. It also was very tough to find the right full time job because product design (which has come to really mean digital product design) supplanted industrial design roles and made it hard to find something of value that resonated with me.

One of the things that guided me and still does is thinking about what types of problems need to be solved? From my perspective everything should ladder up to that if you want to have an impact. Even if you don’t keep learning and exploring until you find something that lights you up on the inside. We are not only one thing we can all wear many hats.

Saying that, we’re living through a paradigm shift of tremendous magnitude that’s altering our whole world. There will always be change though. My two cents is to focus on what draws your attention and energy and give yourself permission to say no to everything else.

AI is an incredible tool, learn how to use it and try to grow with the times. Good luck and stay creative :) Hope something in there helps, but having a positive mindset is critical. If you’re curious about the circular economy happy to share what I know - I think it’s the future.

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FYI: Codeforces competitive programming scores (basically only) by time needed until valid solutions are posted https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/133094 That means.. this benchmark is just saying o3 can write code faster than must humans (in a very time-limited contest, like 2 hours for 6 tasks). Beauty, readability or creativity is not rated. It’s essentially a "how fast can you make the unit tests pass" kind of com…

Creativity is inherently rated because it's codeforces... most 2700 problems have unique, creative solutions.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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The result on Epoch AI Frontier Math benchmark is quite a leap. Pretty sure most people couldn’t even approach these problems, unlike ARC AGI

check out the "fast addition and subtraction" benchmark .. a Z80 from 1980 blazes past any human.. more seriously, isn't it obvious that computers are better at certain things immediately? the range of those things is changing..

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I just graduated college, and this was a major blow. I studied Mechanical Engineering and went into Sales Engineering because cause I love technology and people, but articles like this do nothing but make me dread the future. I have no idea what to specialize in, what skills I should master, or where I should be spending my time to build a successful career. Seems like we’re headed toward a world where you automate s…

Imagine graduating in architecture or mechanical engineering around the time PCs just came out. There were people who probably panicked. But the arc of time intersects quite nicely with your skills if you steer it over time. Predicting it or worrying about it does nothing.

Side note: Why do I keep seeing disses to mechanical engineering here? How is that possibly a less valuable degree than web dev or a standard CRUD backend job?

Especially with AI provably getting extremely smart now, surely engineering disciplines would be having a boon as people want these things in their homes for cheaper for various applications.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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I feel like AI is already changing how we work and live - I've been using it myself for a lot of my development work. Though, what I'm really concerned about is what happens when it gets smart enough to do pretty much everything better (or even close) than humans can. We're talking about a huge shift where first knowledge workers get automated, then physical work too. The thing is, our whole society is built around p…

A possibility is a coalition: of people who refuse to use AI and who refuse to do business with those who use AI. If the coalition grows large enough, AI can be stopped by economic attrition.

> of people who refuse to use AI and who refuse to do business with those who use AI.

Do people refuse to buy from stores which gets goods manufactured by slave labour?

Most people dont care, if AI business are offering goods/services at a lower costs , people will vote with their wallets not principle.

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I just graduated college, and this was a major blow. I studied Mechanical Engineering and went into Sales Engineering because cause I love technology and people, but articles like this do nothing but make me dread the future. I have no idea what to specialize in, what skills I should master, or where I should be spending my time to build a successful career. Seems like we’re headed toward a world where you automate s…

Think of AI as an excavator. You know, those machines that dig holes. 70 years ago, those holes would have been dug by 50 men with shovels. Now it's one guy in an excavator. But we don't have mass unemployment. The excavator just creates more work for bricklayers, carpenters etc. If AI lives up to hype, you could be the excavator driver. Or, the AI will create a ton of upstream and downstream work. There will be no m…

Horses never recovered from mechanization.
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