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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Street car rails probably won't appear from nowhere, but if your tire falls into the gap for the rail, you're very likely to crash. Seattle has a tiny amount of street car rail, but regularly pays out large damages to people injured by the rails.

I've seen people wreck super hard trying to cross the streetcar rails at too shallow an angle in pdx multiple times. But that's an optional behavior. Just the other day I saw a moose crossing the road over in Twin Mountain, and I chose to slow down and not hit it. If I'd made another choice that resulted in a collision, and I'd survived, I wouldn't expect to get some settlement from the town of Twin Mountain, NH. Sim…

Installing a huge hazard in the road is optional too, though. If [insert city here] had saved money and used a bus instead of a street car, all of the problems that come from having a rail in the road would have been avoided.

For heavy rail, they don't often run in the road, parallel with the road, in the lane of travel. And when they do, it's usually in an industrial area that people aren't walking and cycling through.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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There’s no comparison between what was available when I bought my Tesla in 2020 and what I have today.

When you say "what was available" do you mean what a Tesla was capable of? Because I was trying to talk about things like Cruise driving for 90min at night in a city with no intervention: https://youtu.be/KSRPmng1cmA

If you let me pick the roads, I could easily drive 90 minutes at night with no intervention in the LA area: driving from Ventura, down the 126 to the 5 to LAX can be done basically with no interventions no problem today. It could be done with EAP two years ago too. But, FSD works well on essentially arbitrary roads and it didn't four years ago.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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I'm not sure what you want. The NHTSA investigated using Tesla's data and found 956 crashes caused by these types of system failures: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INCR-EA22002-14496.pdf If you simply search for things like "tesla direct sunlight", "tesla camera condensation", "tesla camera bad weather", you can see thousands of instances of vehicle cameras not working.

zero instances of sunlight in that pdf or “tesla’s data”

The entire investigation was based on Tesla's data if you're unfamiliar. I don't care what you believe. Seems like you're one who consumes the marketing rather than data.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Unfortunately that article is confused nonsense. It suggests that making an ICE car is roughly equal to the running in terms of carbon. In reality manufacturing is about 10%, disposal 5% and the other 85% from running it e.g. fuel and maintenance. It then suggests that keeping an old car is better because if you keep the car for twice as long then the emissions are half per mile, but you don't scrap functional cars y…

> In reality manufacturing is about 10%, disposal 5% and the other 85% from running it e.g. fuel and maintenance I imagine this depends hugely on the kind of vehicle? Our small [petrol] car cost the equivalent of $10k on the road, including all taxes. It has a tiny engine, four seats, and limited luggage space. It's fairly fuel-efficient (at least when I'm driving). I've also recently driven a BMW 5 series (booked th…

You can look up a range of individual cars and compare here:

https://www.carboncounter.com/#!/details?cars=34797;36030;34...

The tool also lets you set various assumptions like miles driven per year to see how they affect things.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Youre just ignoring everything that was said and repeating whatever it is youd like to believe.

No. The big automakers are abandoning this idea. Why? Because they don't see a path to profit. They've been at this for 120+ years. Their judgment is probably better than some ads company with an automotive side project.

I disagree, waymo auto profitable can.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Quick, nobody tell them about cruise control. ;-) > Chrysler was the first manufacturer to implement the device in 1958. They called it “Auto-Pilot” and it appeared in their luxury model as an upgraded option. Soon after, General Motors installed it in their Cadillac vehicles, naming it “Cruise Control” which has stuck to this day. https://www.folsomautomall.com/blog/2022/november/21/the-his...

Not sure I understand your point.

  >>> it didn't read signs or lights yet. So if you're coming up on a signal it would just keep going!

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Well, there's consistently and there's consistently . In 2016 Waymo reported their safety drivers intervening once for every 5,100 miles driven [1] - which implies to me that 99% of journeys nobody touched the wheel or pedals. The problem is 99% isn't enough, as there are tremendous numbers of cars out there, and a busy bit of freeway would get a disengagement per minute. [1] https://driverless.wonderhowto.com/news/2…

They Waymo trick is entirely different to FSD. They are travelling pre-mapped streets.

You've used Google Street View, right?

It might be missing a few logging roads, private driveways and carpark lanes - but it shows Google is entirely capable of mapping streets in detail all over the world.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Automakers started out with direct sales. Anti-trust issues quickly arose with that business model and that’s where we got dealership laws, as imperfect as they may be. The document is rather one-sided and slanted, but I think it’s interesting to see how a dealership association explains their perspective: https://www.nada.org/media/3267/download?inline Of particular interest is warranty issues. Tesla has an extra-st…

> A car dealership has the opposite incentive: every dealer-performed warranty service is a payment from the manufacturer to the dealer. Wouldn't this be served just as well by having independent repair shops certified by the manufacturer to do recall and warranty repairs, without prohibiting direct sales of vehicles?

Sure! How many of those does Tesla have?

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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I worked in this industry. No, FSD is not almost there. Not even close. What matters is the long tails of events. You might "feel" it is almost there because it gets it right 99.9% of the time but that is still way too many accidents and injuries in the long run. And the work to go from 99.9% to 99.9999% is 1000x more complicated.

I disagree with you. Glad you worked in the industry, I am using FSD daily, it is really excellent.

Drive 100 miles in your sleep.

You'd trust your partner or parent to do that for you ...

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