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Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by osnium123 »

MPSFounder wrote: post #499

I worked for 3 months for Intel. I can genuinely say that there is no saving that company. Recently, they are hiring many PhDs from various US universities (particularly Indians) to try to compensate (they offer generous stocks and are hiring like crazy right now). There are two major problems I saw: lack of genuine interest in fabs (most people are there for the Intel name and then leave or in the case of Indians, t…

Do you think Intel can improve the quality of engineers on the fab side by offering PhD level salaries to people with BS/MS from good graduates from good US schools? I suspect that Intel hires PhDs from subpar universities.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by aryonoco »

davidczech wrote: post #475
_huayra_ wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brian Krzanich, the CEO before Pat

Don't forget Bob Swan

Bob Swan was fine. He was no visionary, but he was trying to do the right thing with the advice he was being given, and actually started the cleanup of a lot of BK's mess.

BK will go down in history as the person who destroyed a once great engineering firm.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by aryonoco »

chx wrote: post #605
DebtDeflation wrote: post #218

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The original "5 Nodes in 4 Years" roadmap released in mid 2021 had 18A entering production 2H 2024. So it's already "delayed". The updated roadmap has it coming in Q3 2025 but I don't think anyone ever believed that. This after 20A was canceled, Intel 4 is only used for the Compute Tile in Meteor Lake, Intel 3 only ever made it into a couple of server chips, and Intel 7 was just renamed 10nm.

The first iteration of Intel 10nm was simply broken -- you had Ice Lake mobile CPUs in 2019 yes but desktop and server processors took another two years to be released. In 2012 Intel said they will ship 14nm in 2013 and 10nm in 2015. Not only they did fail to deliver 10nm Intel CPUs but they failed Nokia server division too, nearly killing it off in 2018, three years after their initial target. No one in the industry…

Indeed. Brian Krzanich destroyed Intel.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by plxxyzs »

vondur wrote: post #644

Is it as simple as Intel purchasing the equipment from ASML to make their chips?

No, they already do. None of the fabs (intel, tsmc, Samsung, etc.) build their own equipment. The secret sauce comes in designing the processes to integrate these machines into a cohesive months-long manufacturing process, building out the IP (aka what types of transistors and low-level features they can build) and so on. Companies like ASML and AMAT make machines with guarantees like “we can draw lines this small and deposit layers this thin” and it is up to intel or any other fab to figure out the rest.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by shiroiushi »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #625
jamesy0ung wrote: post #536

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You can't really build a PC with parts other than x86. The only other platform you can really build from parts is Arm, with the high end Ampere server chips. Most other platforms are usually pretty highly integrated, you can't just swap parts or work on it.

Why not? Ram is ram, storage is storage.

You can't just buy an ARM or POWER motherboard from one place, a CPU from another place, some RAM sticks from another place, a power supply, a heatsink/fan, some kind of hard drive (probably NVMe these days), a bunch of cables, and put them all together in your basement/living room and have a working system. With x86, this is pretty normal still. With other architectures, you're going to get a complete, all-in-one system that either 1) has no expandability whatsoever, at least by normal users, or 2) costs more than a house in NYC and requires having technicians from the vendor to fly to your location and stay in a hotel for a day or two to do service work on your system for you because you're not allowed to touch it.

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Post by error_logic »

equestria wrote: post #350
dzdt wrote: post #325

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And which of these have the level of support that would let a company put a multi-million dollar project on top of?

We have trillions of dollars riding on one-person open-source projects. This is not the barrier for "serious businesses" that it used to be.

Resilience is not as valued as it should be... Average bus factor is how small these days? :/

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by adzm »

Rychard wrote: post #591
PaulHoule wrote: post #529

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Does 4k matter? I was doing a11y work for an application a few months back and got interested into the question of desktop screen sizes. I see all these ads for 4k and bigger monitors but they don't show up here https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/w... And on the steam hardware survey I am seeing a little more than 5% with a big screen. Myself I am swimming in old monitors and TV to the point w…

All the browsers on my machine report my resolution as 1080p despite using 4k. I assume this is because I run at 200% scaling (I believe this is relatively common among anyone using a 4k resolution) If the above-linked website uses data reported by the browser, I wonder how this scenario might be taken into consideration (or even if such a thing is possible)

A pixel is defined as 1/96th of an inch in the web world so it is dependent on your dpi/scaling. There is a window.devicePixelRatio that JavaScript can use to get actual pixels.

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by WoodenChair »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #449

18A is an absolute disaster, it's investor lawsuit worthy. When the news came out that 20A was canceled the spin was 18A was so advanced that they no longer needed an in-between node. NOPE, what happened was that 18A was a failure, and they renamed 20A to 18A.

How do you know this?

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Post by p1esk »

equestria wrote: post #350
dzdt wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And which of these have the level of support that would let a company put a multi-million dollar project on top of?

We have trillions of dollars riding on one-person open-source projects. This is not the barrier for "serious businesses" that it used to be.

What are you talking about?

Re: Intel announces retirement of Pat Gelsinger

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Post by braiamp »

nunez wrote: post #348
bcantrill wrote: post #345

I am amazed -- stunned -- how many people here seem to think that Gelsinger was the right person for the job, but wronged by the people who pre-dated him (BK?!) or the CHIPS act (?!) or other conditions somehow out of his control. Gelsinger was -- emphatically -- the wrong person for the job: someone who had been at Intel during its glory days and who obviously believed in his heart that he -- and he alone! -- could…

Interestingly, people were bullish about Gelsinger at VMware too. Many still talk about the glory days with him at the helm despite decisions that IMO significantly harmed the company

I find stories about the opposite. How it was very good for the VMware company, so good that nobody ousted him, but he left for a bigger company instead.
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