ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

Post by edanm » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 9:53 PM UTC

peppers-ghost wrote: post #76

dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 9:55 PM UTC

ThinkBeat wrote: post #473

I really don't think this belongs on the front page. It is a highly divisive political issue with strong radicalisation at the edges of any discourse on it. I have my own strong opinions on it, but arguing it does not in my opinon belong on the front page here. There are plenty of places you can go and have this discussion in as heated of a version as you prefer.

Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 9:56 PM UTC

andrewinardeer wrote: post #650

fmajid wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netanyahu and Gallant will no longer be able to travel to Europe, and likely will not want to fly over Europe either (thus not to the US either).

Why not the US? The aren't signatories to the ICC.

Post by edanm » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 9:58 PM UTC

xg15 wrote: post #578

bawolff wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless, total deaths don't matter, only deaths that were the result of crimes matter, in this context. Some of those deaths are going to be legal targets killed during combat, which is not evidence of a war crime. You have to split things out for the numbers to mean anything.

But the problem is that Israel's style of warfare is (intentionally or not) blurring the distinction between those numbers, by using methods of combat that have exceptionally high rates of collateral damage. The most extreme instances of this are the deliberate withholding of aid, both in the "total siege" in the beginning of the war, as well as operations like now in the north. You might hit a lot of legitimate targ…

Post by KK7NIL » Thu, Nov 21, 2024, 10:01 PM UTC

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #640

fmajid wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netanyahu and Gallant will no longer be able to travel to Europe, and likely will not want to fly over Europe either (thus not to the US either).

Presumably if they get invited to Europe it will be with assurance from the state that nothing happens to them. And traveling uninvited is probably a bad move anyway. So not much difference. If you mean to imply that Europe is somehow going to shoot down their planes if they fly over that’s obviously absurd.