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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by lxgr »

Thaxll wrote: post #591

In 2012 Youtube did the Red Bull stratos live stream with 8m concurrent users. We're 12 years later, Netflix fucked up.

But is there a way that Netflix might have learned from all of Youtube's past mistakes?

The only reasonable way to scale something like this up is probably to... scale it up.

Sure, there are probably some generic lessons, but I bet that the pain points in Netflix's architecture (historically grown over more than a decade and optimized towards highly cacheable content) are very different from Youtube, which has ramped up live content gradually over as many years.

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Post by codethief »

dools wrote: post #368
RaftPeople wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been re-watching Silicon Valley the last few weeks and just watched the Nucleus live stream episode 2 days ago, pretty funny seeing it in real life.

"Puts data compression in a rear naked chokehold"

Reference for everyone else: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IGvzb-KCpY

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Post by josho »

macintux wrote: post #584
andai wrote: post #570

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This is great, but what possible counterargument is there? We should prolong indefinitely a spooky ambiguity about whether the system works or not?

In some environments, deploying to production has a massive bureaucracy tax. Paperwork, approvals, limited windows in time, can’t do them during normal business hours, etc.

Those taxes were often imposed because of past engineering errors. For example, Don't deploy during business hours because a past deployment took down production for a day.

A great engineering team will identify a tax they dislike and work to remove it. Using the same example, that means improving the success rate of deployments so you have the data (the success record) to take to leadership to change the policy and remove the tax.

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Post by lxgr »

cryptozeus wrote: post #447

Everyone here talking like this something unique netflix had to deal with. Hotstar live streamed india va Pakistan cricket match with zero issues with all time high live viewership ever in the history of live telecast. Why would viewers paying $20 month want to think about their technical issues, they dropped the ball pure and simple. Tech already exists for this, it’s been done before even by espn, nothing new here.

But that's exactly the point: Netflix didn't do this in a vacuum, they did it within Netflix.

It might just have been easier to start from scratch, maybe using an external partner experienced in live streaming, but the chances of that decision happening in a tech-heavy company such as Netflix that seems to pride itself on being an industry leader are close to zero.

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Post by abduhl »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #608
xyst wrote: post #587

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You are making excuses for a multibillion dollar company that has been in this game for many years. Maybe the first to market in streaming. This isn’t NFLX’s first rodeo in live streaming. Have seen a handful of events pop up in their apps. There is no excuse. All of the resources and talent at their disposal, and they looked absolutely amateurish. Poor optics. I would be amazed if they are able to secure another exc…

Sorry for the off topic but what’s this thing that I only come across in Hacker News about referring to a company by their stock exchange name (APPL, MSFT, etc) outside of a stock context? It seems really weird to me.

I have always assumed that a focus on stock tickers is the natural result when your primary user base is a group of people hyper focused on “total compensation” and stock grants. The name hackernews is merely a playful reference to the history of the site. Like the name “Patriot Act.”

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Post by [deleted] »

mastazi wrote: post #647
geor9e wrote: post #566

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They've been doing live events since 2023. But it's hard to be prepared for something that's never been done by anyone before — a superbowl scale event, entirely viewed over the internet. The superbowl gets to offload to cable and over the air. Interestingly, I didn't have any problems with my stream. So it sounds like the bandwidth problems might be localized, perhaps by data center or ISP.

Maybe they considered this event as a rehearsal for the upcoming NFL streams which I am guessing might have a wider audience

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Post by giantg2 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #495

The way to deal with this is to constantly do live events, and actually build organizational muscle. Not these massive one off events in an area the tech team has no experience in.

Wow, building talent from within? I thought that went out of fashion. I think companies are too impatient to develop their employees.

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Post by School-Cotton »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #608
xyst wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are making excuses for a multibillion dollar company that has been in this game for many years. Maybe the first to market in streaming. This isn’t NFLX’s first rodeo in live streaming. Have seen a handful of events pop up in their apps. There is no excuse. All of the resources and talent at their disposal, and they looked absolutely amateurish. Poor optics. I would be amazed if they are able to secure another exc…

Sorry for the off topic but what’s this thing that I only come across in Hacker News about referring to a company by their stock exchange name (APPL, MSFT, etc) outside of a stock context? It seems really weird to me.

In-group signaling for people who like playing or thinking about the stock market. Similar to how people who make travel a big part of their identity refer to cities by their airport code.

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Post by avidphantasm »

dylan604 wrote: post #426

People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part. Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running ded…

Is multicast a thing on the commercial internet? Seems like that could help.
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