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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by theshrike79 »

bhouston wrote: post #312
aqfamnzc wrote: post #252

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Putting the plug on the bottom is an intentional choice by Apple. It's because they don't want you to plug it in to charge, then never remember to unplug it. Mandatory wirelessness.

Logitech makes mice that worked plugged in and not, and they are durable too because they use a custom plastic piece around the USB connector to ensure a snug fit: https://www.logitechg.com/en-ca/products/gaming-mice/pro-x-s...

Now imagine the comment sections around the Internet if Apple released a mouse that needed custom ANYTHING to charge it.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mikae1 »

ben_w wrote: post #621
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #608

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You can tell they're full of shit because they can't stop tooting the green horn. It's self evident. If they made their devices repairable, easily resellable, etc. then they wouldn't have to greenwash.

They don't strictly need to greenwash even despite the difficulties with repairing their devices . They talk about green stuff because that's what they want to be, for whatever reason.

> They talk about green stuff because that's what they want to be, for whatever reason.

How else would the conscious consumer justify another marginal hardware update?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Kirby64 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #608
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

You can tell they're full of shit because they can't stop tooting the green horn. It's self evident. If they made their devices repairable, easily resellable, etc. then they wouldn't have to greenwash.

I’ll bite: what about their devices is not easily resellable? Sure seems easy to factory reset basically anything Apple, and their resale values hold up a lot better than most devices.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by kev009 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #570
SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

The citation is common sense.. if your business is consumerism, you are by definition the opposite of "green". Putting some idiots on stage every year to carefully gesticulate to soft music about how "green" creating immense amounts of industrial waste are and thinking it is real is getting high on your own supply.

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Post by peterldowns »

blairbeckwith wrote: post #533
giobox wrote: post #457

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I also use and love the exact same 49" CRG9, but if you do the 2x retina math, to deliver the pixel pitch Apple customers expect on desktop in the 32:9 display form, that would realistically have to be a 10240x2880 display at a minimum of 60fps. Not sure if there are bandwidth considerations over displayport or similar as this is essentially two 5k Studio Displays (5120x2880) side by side at that point. I love my CRG…

TB4 should be able to handle that resolution – I am running 2x Studio Displays + gigabit ethernet + countless USD devices in to one TB4 port on my MacBook via a TB4 dock.

Which dock are you using? Looking to get one + a large display, and share both between my windows desktop and mac laptop.

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Post by alexsmirnov »

SurgeArrest wrote: post #530

Reading this on 2017 iMac 27" - is the first 5k iMac that couldn't be used as a monitor after the computer inside is irrelevant. I hope EU will push for some law that requires all AIO computers to work in monitor-only mode if internal hardware is no longer good enough or no longer supported by software updates. I love the 5k screen on this iMac but the CPU is too old for photo or video editing as software got so much…

In a similar situation ( mine is iMac 2019 ), I just added Linux box with 8x Xeon cores and Nvidia GPU. I use iMac as remote VNC / X11 client for that server. It still good enough for web browsing, email, and heavy tasks offloaded to Linux server. I do mostly ML / software build, no video editing though.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by madjam002 »

PeterCorless wrote: post #622

I was really hoping they'd have announced a MacBook Pro based on M4. I had been waiting all year for it. https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/11/apple-reportedly-develo... However, reading Nanoreview it looks like the performance of the M3 Max still actually beats the M4 for graphics and multicore performance. https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m4-vs-apple-m3-m...

That link you posted is comparing the M3 Max with the base M4, it has more CPU and GPU cores

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by 015a »

latexr wrote: post #380
015a wrote: post #214

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We should do a "Most HackerNews HackerNews Comment Of The Year" award each year; in homage to the O.G. [1]. I'd like to nominate this comment. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

> in homage to the O.G. That is a poor example of the thing you’re trying to mock. That exchange is an example of what one should do, it does not deserve derision. dang explained it well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27067281

I proposed the nomination of an award to this commentator! That's hardly derision.

I'm actually a little hurt that you would treat my comment with such derision :(

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Post by cheschire »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #327

I love in Apple product announcements when they show people doing tasks that not only don't require recent hardware, but in fact could have been done without much trouble 20 or 30 years ago. Specifically talking about the ice cream spreadsheet that I suppose was there to show off how small businesses can use the new iMac. I'm sure it's a fine machine, but it does to me highlight the upgrade treadmill.

I’m not sure the iMac market is centered on upgrades.

Humanity is growing. There are more new people ready for their first desktop than ever before. Many young new computer buyers have never used anything but a phone.

I think the screen size alone is the biggest indicator as 24” is a step down for many existing desktop users, but anything larger might overwhelm someone accustomed to tablets and phones.

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Post by harikb »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #611
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

> (maybe) take more time to engineer Apple, the richest company in the world, who spends millions in money and engineering hours on stuff like making sure the packaging having the right neutral smell, and the box sliding out with the right amount of friction when you open it, and on security teams/mercenaries able to pull family members of workers from warzones, and you're telling me they have to nickel and dime thei…

:) but we take it that you are not disagreeing on the first part of their claim?

That said, I have bought many cheap Windows PCs/Laptop in my lifetime and I have only ever upgraded them once and they also don't last as long. Somehow... I don't feel shouting at Apple. These things do last a bit longer...

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