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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Having built similar tech (Meta, YC S13), it's been a great year with Vision Pro, Orion, Spectacles and more coming out. Currently at my co, seeing most day to day use out of XReal, and keen for Visor. AR/XR/MR/VR app I'm most looking forward to is a 360 location share with the sharing user in AR, and the receiving user in VR, with additional virtual objects shared between. Orion would be great for the send side, wit…

The Magic Leap headset already uses essentially an LCD layer to add per pixel shading to add darkness.

Even still, modern displays are so so good that an additive display is a massive step down.

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Decent hands on article from the verge with more info https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo... Wireless compute puck. 70 degree FOV. Resolution high enough to read text. Wrist band detects hand gestures and will be used in another product.

From using various VR systems, a hololens, and reading reviews of the vision pro I really feel like hand gestures are a bad way to interact with AR systems. They might work in a pinch (heh) but some sort of small controller that can act as a pointer and has a button or two is superior in every way. It's interesting that meta went through the effort of bundling an accessory but stuck with hand gestures anyway.

Traditional personal computers have both a keyboard and a mouse / trackpad. Game controllers have both joysticks and buttons.

While analog manipulation devices (mice, trackpads, joysticks, the 3D controllers) are good at physically precise manipulation and navigation, keys and buttons are good at symbolic / textual entry and logical / symbolic navigation with comparatively very low effort and high speed.

When VR / AR acquires a fast and low-effort symbolic input mode, comparable in efficiency to a keyboard, and it becomes possible to build highly productive interfaces driven by it, like Vim and MS Excel are driven by the keyboard, many interesting developments will happen.

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This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but Meta is in the right direction and has to go on an Amazon type arc to align their employees with their vision. I watched this podcast that released around the same time and Zuckerberg's argument/vision for the future of Meta seems solid[0]. Generally, a large magnitude of value is created during "platform shifts" and they have now placed (really good) bets on VR/AR and…

> This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but Meta is in the right direction and has to go on an Amazon type arc to align their employees with their vision. It's not just unpopular, it's just wrong. Even if Zuckerberg's vision is good (and there's no reason to think it is, because he famously doesn't understand human beings and has never come up with a single product idea that became popular), he clearly has no a…

> he famously doesn't understand human beings and has never come up with a single product idea that became popular

This point is at least contentious. I am not going to go into weeds, but I fail to see how you can make a product that literally popularizes the term “network effects” without vision. You can say he “stole” the idea for facebook, but what about everything after? Ideas are cheap.

> no ability to execute

I see no evidence of this. How does someone scale from $0 to $1T without the ability to execute?

> Spending $50B in a few years with almost no revenue to show for it has to be the biggest business failure of all time.

I also think the metaverse was a failure. But I think they failed fast and have more experience in that area than any other company. They basically spent $50B to get data on the intial vision for the metaverse. Their stock and business has fully recovered.

It was a hedge against being “too late” and they got the timing wrong.

It’s one thing if you fail and the business goes bankrupt. It’s a completely different scenario when they recover completely. How does “the biggest business failure of all time” not end in that business going bankrupt?

Off the top of my head I am pretty sure hundreds of billions of dollars of value vanished after the Lehman Brothers collapse.

In tech (adjacent) you got worldcom, which was of a similar magnitude but in y2k dollars.

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In the future, these aren't glasses, they're contact lenses that are powered by the microscopic "jiggles" the lenses of your eyes make as they move back and forth, to show you ad-supported floating product descriptions in-place as you shop, or character notes to help you follow plotlines better as you watch a show.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They backed the wrong horse RE "The Next Big Thing", and they're being stubborn about admitting it IMHO. Sunk costs and all that. I think everyone was obviously aware that "the metaverse" and VR was obviously not what the world needed, yet they pivoted the whole company to it while they totally missed AI taking over ~everything else. Yes yes llama leak/release etc, but I am not really seeing them making any product e…

> no ChatGPT competitor See www.meta.ai

> Meta AI isn't available yet in your country

Meanwhile I can use ChatGPT, Copilot, Claude, Midjourney, Gemini, Huggingface...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think I've called it a smoking crater where ten billion dollars used to be. It’s less of a waste of money if it paints Facebook as a technology leader and distracts lawmakers, and helps give the company mind space among the tech press. In fact the metaverse may have started out as DC strategy [1]. Facebook Inc. is old and boring, catering to a predominantly older cohort and becoming “Big Social” by buying up anyt…

They just launched the next twitter (Threads)

i have a long post why this is the future on my google wave

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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It seems like a crazy thing to say, but the phone/tablet format is actually not very natural. It is more natural than the previous generation of computers that require being stationary and using a complicated keyboard, sure. But holding a device in your hand and staring at it isn’t really the optimal way of using technology. Which is a long way of saying that even if this generation of AR devices don’t take off, they…

The touchscreen might be better than you're giving it credit for. Direct interaction (vs the indirectness of mice, keyboards, gesture) is one benefit that I can't see done better any other way. I think people will always have some kind of handheld touchscreen as a result.
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