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OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Yes to the first bit, no to the second. I don't think a reasonable person would interpret Sam's tweet as claiming that Scarlett recorded the voice.

There's legal precedent against the first one. Tom Waits successfully sued Frito Lay after they used a Tom Waits soundalike in a commercial. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-05-09-me-238-st...

if i recall that only won because they contacted Tom first and he said no, which isn't what happened with OAI/SJ

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When I first used ChatGPT's voice assistant's I was like "Wow, this one is clearly Scarlett Johansson from Her, they even copy her mannerisms." No amount of unverifiable "records" (just pieces of paper provided by somebody who has a multimillion dollar incentive to show one outcome) will change my mind. But if they can produce the actual voice artist I'd be more open-minded.

They did produce the actual voice artist!

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1. The sky voice currently available in the app is a different model from the one they presented (one is pure TTS, the new one in GPT-4o is a proper multi modal model that can do speech in and out end to end) 2. Look at these images and tell me they didn't intend to replicate "Her": https://x.com/michalwols/status/1792709377528647995

Genuine question, what's wrong with trying to replicate in real life an idea from a SciFi movie ? I understand that it could be problematic if OpenAI did one of two things: - imitated Scarlett Johansson's voice to impersonate her - misled people into believing that GPT-4o is an official by-product of the film Her, like calling it “the official Her AI” The first point is still unclear, and that's precisely the point o…

Imagine if Facebook came to you and wanted an exclusive license to white label whatever you work on, then after you rejected them they went and copied most of your code but changed the hue or saturation of some of the colors and shipped it to all of their customers (There's definitely hours of Scarlet Johanssons talking in the dataset that GPT4o was trained on).

Would that be ethical?

EDIT: or even better, imagine how OpenAI would react if some company trained their own model by distilling from GPT4 outputs and then launched a product with it called “ChatGPC”. (They already go after products that have GPT in their name)

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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When I first used ChatGPT's voice assistant's I was like "Wow, this one is clearly Scarlett Johansson from Her, they even copy her mannerisms." No amount of unverifiable "records" (just pieces of paper provided by somebody who has a multimillion dollar incentive to show one outcome) will change my mind. But if they can produce the actual voice artist I'd be more open-minded.

This shows how bad it is. If you're proactively sharing a package of docs with the Washingington Post, you're toast. Altman's outreach, his tweet, and the thousands of tweets and comments talking about how similar Sky is to ScarJo is enough to win the case in California.

The Washington Post comprehensively refuted the story. This is like the "this is good for Bitcoin because ____" meme, but in reverse.

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An interesting thing about this vocal similarity is using udio.com

If you pick a particular genre, sometimes the output can feel like many similar singers voices merged together... and not.

I remember noticing the Sky voice going away, and mannerisms aside it felt a little more expressive and upbeat than I expected.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. The sky voice currently available in the app is a different model from the one they presented (one is pure TTS, the new one in GPT-4o is a proper multi modal model that can do speech in and out end to end) 2. Look at these images and tell me they didn't intend to replicate "Her": https://x.com/michalwols/status/1792709377528647995

Genuine question, what's wrong with trying to replicate in real life an idea from a SciFi movie ? I understand that it could be problematic if OpenAI did one of two things: - imitated Scarlett Johansson's voice to impersonate her - misled people into believing that GPT-4o is an official by-product of the film Her, like calling it “the official Her AI” The first point is still unclear, and that's precisely the point o…

> Genuine question, what's wrong with trying to replicate in real life an idea from a SciFi movie ?

The thing is, there are several cases where a jury found this exact thing to warrant damages.

But honestly, that is irrelevant. The situation here is that OpenAI is facing a TON of criticism for running roughshod over intellectual property rights. They are claiming that we should trust them, they are trying to do the right thing.

But in this case, they're dancing on the edge of right and wrong.

I don't mind when a sleazy company makes "MacDougals" to sell hamburgers. But it's not something to be proud of. And it's definitely not a company that I'd trust.

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Right. And that's extremely hard to believe. A discovery search of the internal emails should give us a definitive answer.

To find this "extremely hard to believe", you have to argue that this story, which has multiple sources unaffiliated with OpenAI, contemporaneous documentary evidence, and is written by a reporter with every incentive in the world to roast OpenAI, is directly wrong about facts plainly reported in the story. I think you have to want this story to be wrong to think it's wrong. It's a tough beat! Everyone was super sure…

I wrote a comment to this exact effect yesterday. We didn't have both sides of the story, let's give Sam/OAI, like, literally just a single day to present their own side. And now he did, and I am sure all the people shouting down Sam at every turn still give no shits and will move the goalposts.

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Well, here are some things that aren't really being disputed: * OpenAI wanted an AI voice that sounds like SJ * SJ declined * OpenAI got an AI voice that sounds like SJ anyway I guess they want us to believe this happened without shenanigans, but it's bit hard to. The headline of the article is a little funny, because records can't really show they weren't looking for an SJ sound-alike. They can just show that those…

The article clearly disputes this. They hired and worked with the voice actor for Sky months before the first time SJ was contacted, and the voice actor used for Sky never had the movie Her or SJ's name mentioned to her a single time

That doesn't mean anything. They could have been and were likely developing the process and technology while having Johansson in mind the whole time.

> never had the movie Her or SJ's name mentioned to her a single time

How do you know that?

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