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Post by greatgib »

b-side wrote: post #495
greatgib wrote: post #455

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Wow, that is a mighty slippery slope you are on. You do realise that with the same rationale, all Western media outlets are propagandists in the eyes of nations like Russia, Iran & China? Do we really want the precedent to be that it is okay to kill journalists as long as they disagree with you?

To be clear, I did not say that I support the murder of anyone.

What I'm stating here is that it is not a list of "deaths" or war deaths, but a list of "journalist killed". This can easily be used as a "propaganda tool" regarding the fact that in a lot of places, anyone can claim to be a journalist whatever its actions.

My point is that if you are killed doing the coverage of an event, while you were a kind of neutral third party, that is a shame. At the opposite, if you are journalist working for producing content affiliated with a party, and you are yourself involved, like sometimes you are holding a gun yourself, it is not the same thing.

But a lot of persons can abuse of the ambiguities for political purpose.

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Post by rendall »

GordonS wrote: post #646
rendall wrote: post #628

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> Except, thats not really true, is it? Hamas have been openly saying for several years now that they have no beef with people of the Jewish faith, they just want their homes back. No, that is not what they have been saying. That's what you have been hearing, but they have been saying they want the area to be under Muslim control. They could have had their homes back decades ago if they accepted Israeli rule. No. Whe…

> They could have had their homes back decades ago if they accepted Israeli rule "accepted Israeli rule?!". If Russia decides to occupy your country, would you be so accepting?! Never mind the fact that the West Bank shows exactly what happens when you "accept Israeli rule" - living under a brutal, dehumanising apartheid regime.

Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? They refused. Palestinians are endless trouble. This is known throughout the Arab world. It's hardly an "occupation". Israel doesn't want it.

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Post by GordonS »

gryzzly wrote: post #649
GordonS wrote: post #641

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That is not at all what I said - are you commenting in good faith? We've also seen no credible evidence that Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques or hospitals.

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This is not Reddit, and I won't be engaging any further with you. Good bye.

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Post by gryzzly »

GordonS wrote: post #589
philwelch wrote: post #382

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Israel isn’t targeting lone Hamas fighters with these bombs, they’re targeting large Hamas facilities, most of which are buried underground.

And yet, months on and numerous false claims later, I've yet to see see any credible evidence of a large, undergroud Hamas facility.

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Post by rendall »

GordonS wrote: post #641
rendall wrote: post #630

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> Gaza is a very dense, urban area, so it's kind of unavoidable This is why Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques and hospitals, according to you?

That is not at all what I said - are you commenting in good faith? We've also seen no credible evidence that Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques or hospitals.

> We've also seen no credible evidence...

We have seen plenty of credible evidence. Just, no evidence that you will accept.

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Post by flyinglizard »

jay-barronville wrote: post #557
bawolff wrote: post #384

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I think part of it is the current situation lends itself to more pro-gaza headlines. For starters the situation is evolving more on that front. Every new action is a potential headline for palestine. On the other hand Israel's position is much more static: They want to prevent the slaughter on oct 7 from happening again, and are using force to do so. That hasn't changed. You can't make new headlines out of it. Its pr…

This isn’t rocket science. Israel has killed more than 13,000 children in less than 5 months. This is only counting the children. That’s almost 4.5 9/11’s in children alone. And our (Americans) taxpayer dollars is helping sponsor these war crimes. Israel has one of the most advanced military and intelligence apparatuses in the world. And Palestinians are some of the most surveilled humans in the world. Israel knows w…

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Post by tsimionescu »

shiroiushi wrote: post #490
tsimionescu wrote: post #453

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We actually have very clear examples from history of how to turn an enemy into a friend: the Marshall plan and the similar levels of aid that the USA poured into post-nazi Germany, post-fascist Italy, post-imperial Japan. That turned War-torn bitter enemies into some of the staunchest US allies today. Given Israel's position of power, they can and should be doing this. However, Israeli politicians just don't want thi…

>We actually have very clear examples from history of how to turn an enemy into a friend: the Marshall plan Japan, Germany, and Italy's people didn't practice a religion that required them to hate Americans. For Germany and Italy in particular, they followed (basically) the same religion as most Americans. Japan never really had much religion. And none of these WWII powers were theocratic states in any way, or govern…

You do know that the vast majority of Muslim people live in countries that don't have any higher hatred of the USA than the average person, right? The largest Muslim country is Indonesia, followed by Bangladesh and Pakistan. So religion has nothing to do with this.

The fact that Palestine is ruled by extremists is not a happenstance, it is a direct consequence of how the Palestinian people have been treated after the war. They lived under full military occupation until 2005, for close to 30 years. Is it any wonder that they became extremists?

What we are seeing are the exact same consequences of the Versailles agreement after WW1, with Germany becoming more and more radicalized because of the extreme economic conditions until a deranged lunatic came to power. This didn't repeat after WW2 exactly because, instead of occupying the defeated countries or imposing harsh economic penalties (both of which Israel did to Palestine after the war) we helped them build up.

Were there terrorists and radicalized groups in the Palestinian territories immediately after the war as well? Of course. But they were fringe groups, and were to be expected when so many had been displaced from their homes. They would have quieted down if the next 30 years had been full of economic growth, instead of military occupation and deprivation.

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Post by fullspectrumdev »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #584
fullspectrumdev wrote: post #434

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The violence hasn’t really stopped in any of those places. Some participants have changed though.

Huh? The violence in Northern Ireland has 100% stopped.

There’s still dissident republican and loyalist groups getting up to bullshit criminality and committing attacks on the regular.

The PIRA may have disbanded, but there are still active splinter groups.

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