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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by AdamN »

bb123 wrote: post #622
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Yeah - I was getting excited about having booked an EV for my Christmas holiday visiting family in the UK (with Hertz). Fortunately researching charging knocked some sense into me and I switched back to a ICE vehicle. - Even though I was staying in their house there was no way I could charge it without buying an expensive cable, or risking some cheap crap from Amazon (blow up the house or the rental car perhaps?) - E…

> Every damn thing needs an app (and an account and registration - fun if you don't actually live in the country in question). Seriously just put up a charger and a contactless payment reader. Imagine if every petrol pump needed an app to start? May as well go back to having to put pound coins in a meter... This actually isn't true. It is law in the UK that every public charger must have a contactless reader on it. M…

I wish the EU would do that. Driving in Germany is impossible without one of the charge cards. I really don't get why credit cards aren't mandated to work on all public chargers.

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Post by nsteel »

brnt wrote: post #610
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Rubbish. > The stations are primarily deployed in three regions: Asia Pacific (over 2,000), North America (over 2,000), and Europe (over 1,000). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger Some supercharger stations also work with other cars. I used them over Christmas with my Kia. Surprisingly they were faster and cheaper than anything else in the area.

Those in Europese arent what they are in the US, they're just, of ten individuap, stations with the common plug, just like the other ones.

What are they like the in the US? I've searched and on the face of it they look just like the ones I used in the UK with two types of connector (like in the picture at https://thedriven.io/2022/02/27/where-can-you-charge-a-tesla...)

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by mulmen »

tempestn wrote: post #461
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Yeah but the Tesla implementations of these features still suck. "You get used to it" is a shitty sales pitch. Basically any other car with these features has a better implementation. Tesla does it different but not better . It isn't a matter of familiarity, these designs are just bad . My 15 year old BMW: Has seat memory tied to the key. I don't have to fiddle with a menu to save the setting. It just... remembers. H…

Oy, I wouldn't hold up a 2008 BMW as a paragon of usability. That early iDrive system was awful. Three different ways to differently manage climate temperature? Navigation straight out of the Macbook Wheel[1]? I could go on. The auto wipers were definitely better than the Tesla though. I do largely agree with you re the Tesla, although the steering wheel controls I could argue both sides. They're multi-function, whic…

I have had nothing but good experiences with iDrive in my car. Certainly better than a touch screen. It is a 2010 LCI E90, maybe the iDrive was improved?

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by jasoncartwright »

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I think your knowledge may be a little out of date. I charge my (non-Tesla) EV at Tesla Superchargers and pay 30p/kWh at the excellent Ionity (350kW!) chargers.

There is exactly one Ionity charger for the whole of Greater Manchester, with the other nearest ones being more than an hour drive in two directions. Not a realistic suggestion for anyone not living in London.

There are 12 Ionity chargers in Greater Manchester, plus 18 Tesla ones. I've used both sets.

You seem to be confusing home/destination chargers and rapid chargers - which is a common mistake for non-EV drivers to make. Unlike petrol, electricity comes to you.

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Post by petre »

nsteel wrote: post #600
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It only works with Teslas, forget the other ones. That's part of why the others have failed to deliver a useful EV: only Tesla has a reliable charging network. The others are reliant on half assed solutions made by third parties.

Some supercharger stations can be used by non-teslas with a CCS port. And it seems there's a big move coming for more to adopt. https://www.motortrend.com/features/tesla-nacs-charging-port... Edit Although I should add, even if they work, they may not support the full power charging. My Kia works, but nowhere near 250kWh.

Yes, that's why most of the other brands have announced the will use the Tesla port, to be able to use their charging network. There are still issues with that approach because all Teslas have their charging port on the back left side and their Supercharger cable is quite short, while other cars do not necessarily maintain this. Also they might not charge at full power. It's still a better solution than the half assed ones.

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Post by robaato »

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> ... trying to find chargers with the right plug, ones that aren't broken, ones that were available, downloading various apps, etc. Then when I did find a charger I sat in the parking lot waiting for it to juice up. These considerations are why I think we'll eventually move to battery swapping, when the market is mature enough to have standards for batteries. When there are as many battery swapping stations as there…

With enough market penetration you just plug in to the nearest street light. https://www.evstreetcharge.co.uk/

We have them locally - but parking is generally not easy - so getting to chargers isn't either...

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Post by b112 »

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Yet there are 3 separate car manufacturers, with h2 passenger vehicles, all with 500km+ range, all being sold for 1/2 a decade. Seems like it isn't a physical constraint?

I did some (academic) research in a group working on storage (tanks and metal hydrides), so yeah, I know why it's only 3 and they all did it 20 years ago. Sources for such into aren't private, but I have the feeling you've never looked at them.

20 years ago? These are sold now. Today.

So much denial in the anti h2 crowd.

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Post by relevant1 »

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Yup. I own a Tesla and it's been a great car. I charge it at home, and I know how the supercharging network works. I've been OFFERED electric rentals in: * Tromsø Norway (on a roadtrip through the Lofoten) * Nelson NZ * Brisbane AU The reality is, when I rent a car on vacation, I'm typically doing more miles per day than when I'm at home. That's because I'm not sitting at work 9 hours a day! Plus, I don't know their…

No doubt? :-) Norway has 503 Superchargers, 1 per 11,000 people. California has 307, 1 per 130,000. I haven't checked NZ or Oz, or looked at a map for Norway. There are also 10 times that many non-Tesla chargers, of which some will be the highest power. All three countries have 230V domestic electricity, so in the worst case you can charge at about 2.5kW (more, e.g. 3kW, if you're more confident of the wiring).

You could even be so lucky to have 400V available in new housing in Norway, allowing up to 22kW home charging.

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Post by culturestate »

AdamN wrote: post #650
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> If by "majority" you mean, a small minority, then you're spot on! ... It's always important to look at numbers before you get trapped in your bubble. Speaking of bubbles, I wrote "majority of the western world, " which admittedly surprisingly stretches beyond America. Two-thirds of households in, say, Berlin absolutely do not have carports, garages, or private parking.

Charging infrastructure in Berlin is fine - I had an EV for over a year and charged on the street no problem. The two major caveats are that you really need a card specifically for paying the charging networks (not a credit card which is a major hassle) and road trips are more difficult than they would be with an ICE car.

I suppose that depends on your perspective. The nearest charging point to my flat is ~10 minutes on foot, which I wouldn't consider convenient in any way.
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