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Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by int_19h »

bad_user wrote: post #523
maayank wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People go to work to make money If that’s the overriding drive then perhaps they should not got to a non-profit and expect it to optimize for profit

Non-profit just means there are no stakeholders, meaning that revenue must be used for the organization's expenses, which includes the compensation of employees and growth. Many non-profits also benefit from tax-exemptions. Assuming anything more than that about the nature of non-profits is just romantic BS that has nothing to do with reality. Also, there's nothing wrong with wanting to make a profit.

This particular non-profit has (had?) a clear mission statement, though.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by thejackgoode »

kozikow wrote: post #648

Everyone is still left guessing what have happened. At least my speculative view (rewritten by chatgpt ofc): There's speculation that OpenAI's newly developed Q* algorithm marks a substantial advancement over earlier models, demonstrating capabilities like solving graduate-level mathematics. This led to discussions about whether it should be classified as Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), a designation that coul…

I believe it's not possible to keep such thing a secret, so this reason as a main motivation for board actions sounds kind of weak to me

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by ben_w »

andy_ppp wrote: post #628

When the following works I'll be impressed: "ChatGPT can you explain possible ways to make fusion power efficient for clean free energy production given the known and inferred laws of physics?" and it actually produces a new answer and plans for a power plant. It's very hard to know how close we are to this, but I do think it's possible these AI models end up being able to infer and invent new technology as they impr…

I'm not sure which response to give:

1. And then it gives you a Dyson swarm.

2. """I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.""" - Agent Smith in The Matrix

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by kozikow »

thejackgoode wrote: post #652
kozikow wrote: post #648

Everyone is still left guessing what have happened. At least my speculative view (rewritten by chatgpt ofc): There's speculation that OpenAI's newly developed Q* algorithm marks a substantial advancement over earlier models, demonstrating capabilities like solving graduate-level mathematics. This led to discussions about whether it should be classified as Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), a designation that coul…

I believe it's not possible to keep such thing a secret, so this reason as a main motivation for board actions sounds kind of weak to me

The progress from GPT3 to GPT4 has been so substantial that many might argue it signifies the advent of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). The capabilities of GPT4 often elicit a sense of disbelief, making it hard to accept that it's merely generating the most likely text based on the preceding content.

Looking ahead, I anticipate that in the next 2-3 years, we won't witness a sudden, magical emergence of "AGI" or a singularity event. Instead, there will likely be ongoing debates surrounding the successive versions like GPT5, GPT6, and so on, about whether they truly represent AGI or not.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by timeon »

octacat wrote: post #572
dacryn wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so much this, he kept introducing clauses in contracts that tied investments to him, and not necessarily to openai. He more or less did it with microsoft, to a small degree. So his firing could have caused quite a lot of money to be lost. But ok no big deal. But then he tried to do it again with a saudi contract. OpenAI board said explicitly they didn't want the partnership, and especially not tied to Altman personal…

If they gave a reasonable reason to the public, they could get away with it. Shady CEO vs equally shady board.

How is public relevant here?

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by nprateem »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #589

Although we have, as yet, no idea what he was actually refering to, I believe the source of the tension may be related to the statements Sam made the night before he was fired. "I think this is going to be the greatest leap forward that we've had yet so far, and the greatest leap forward of any of the big technological revolutions we've had so far. so i'm super excited, i can't imagine anything more exciting to work…

Unless he's saying it can actually comprehend, then it's still just more accurate predictions. Wake me at the singularity.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by dandanua »

qnleigh wrote: post #551
htk wrote: post #212

Can't help but feel weird about all the thanking in the letter, especially the "sincere" thanks to Tasha and Helen, the possible main antagonists in this soap opera. It's like a written version of the heart emojis in their Twitter exchanges.

Reading between the lines, I see "I harbor zero ill will towards [Ilya]... we hope to continue our working relationship." but no such comments directed at Helen and Tasha. Given how sanitized these kinds of releases usually are, I took that to mean "" in this context.

Ilya essentially accused Altman of lying to the board. Hearing "zero ill will" from a liar looks like intimidation to me. Especially if we take into account his previous history.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by galacticstone »

mikeg8 wrote: post #381
galacticstone wrote: post #238

Capitalism shouldn't be allowed anywhere near AI.

AI has no chance of existing outside of capitalism. Capitalism, whether you like it or not, provides a structure where tech innovation flourishes best. Altruism isn’t capable of the same results.

"flourishes best" ?

Compared to what?

Your opinion is not fact.

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