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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. The core of the narrative thus far is that the board fired Altman on the grounds that he was prioritising commercialisation over the not-for-profit mission of OpenAI written into the organisation's charter.[1] Given that Sam has since joined Microsoft, that seems plausible, on its face. The board may have been incompetent and shor…

> I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman.

Maybe it has to do with them wanting to get rich by selling their shares - my understanding is there was an ongoing process to get that happening [1].

If Altman is out of the picture, it looks like Microsoft will assimilate a lot of OpenAI into a separate organisation and OpenAI's shares might become worthless.

[1] https://www.financemagnates.com/fintech/openai-in-talks-to-s...

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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The tweet was updated five minutes later to correct 550 to 505. https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1726599700961521762?s...

The tweet is now obsolete as OpenAI employees are confirming the number is much higher now, atleast 650: https://twitter.com/lilianweng/status/1726634736943280270

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

#653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the OpenAI board renege on the deal with msft?

Don't you think they have trouble enough as it is?

Depends on why they did what they did.

If they let msft "loot" all their IP then they lose any type of leverage they might still have, and if they did it due to some ideological reason I could see why they might prefer to choose a scorched earth policy.

Given that they refused to resign seems like they prefer to fight rather than give it to Sam Altman, which what the msft maneuver looks like defacto.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

#654

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

> Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT.

What? That's even better played by Microsoft so than I'd originally anticipated. Take the IP, starve the current incarnation of OpenAI of compute credits and roll out their own thing

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

#655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, indeed and that's the real loss here: any chance of governing this properly got blown up by incompetence.

> any chance of governing this properly got blown up by incompetence No one knows why the board did this. No one is talking about that part. Yet every one is on twitter talking shit about the situation. I have worked with a lot of PhD's and some of them can be, "disconnected" from anything that isn't their research. This looks a lot like that, disconnected from what average people would do, almost childlike (not ish,…

The Fact still nobody knows why they did it is part of the problem now though. They have already clarified it was not for any financial reason, security reason, or privacy/safety reason, so that rules out all the important ones that spring to anyone’s minds. And they refuse to elaborate why in writing despite being asked to repeatedly.

Any reason good enough to fire him is good enough to share with the interim CEO and the rest of the company, if not the entire world. If they can’t even do that much, you can’t blame employees for losing faith in their leadership. They couldn’t even tell SAM ALTMAN why, and he was the one getting fired!

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

#656

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

Just a thought.... Wouldn't one of the board members be like "If you screw with us any further we're releasing gpt to the public" I'm wondering why that option hasn't been used yet.

Probably a violation of agreements with OpenAI and it would harm their own moat as well, while achieving very little in return.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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All: this madness makes our server strain too. Sorry! Nobody will be happier than I when this bottleneck (edit: the one in our code—not the world) is a thing of the past.

I've turned down the page size so everyone can see the threads, but you'll have to click through the More links at the bottom of the page to read all the comments, or like this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38347868&p=2

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38347868&p=3

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38347868&p=4

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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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post #631

I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. The core of the narrative thus far is that the board fired Altman on the grounds that he was prioritising commercialisation over the not-for-profit mission of OpenAI written into the organisation's charter.[1] Given that Sam has since joined Microsoft, that seems plausible, on its face. The board may have been incompetent and shor…

> I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. I have no inside information. I don't know anyone at Open AI. This is all purely speculation. Now that that's out out the way, here is my guess: money. These people never joined OpenAI to "advance sciences and arts" or to "change the world". They joined OpenAI to earn money. They think they can make more money with Sam Altman in…

Really? If they work at OpenAI they are already among the highest lifetime earners on the planet. Favouring moving oneself from the top 0.5% of global lifetime earners to the top 0.1% (or whatever the percentile shift is) over the safe development of a potentially humanity-changing technology would be depraved.

EDIT: I don't know why this is being downvoted. My speculation as to the average OpenAI employee's place in the global income distribution (of course wealth is important too) was not snatched out of thin air. See: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/9/15/23874111/charit...

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

#660
Hurray for employees seeing the real issue!

Hurray also for the reality check on corporate governance.

- Any Board can do whatever it has the votes for.

- It can dilute anyone's stock, or everyone's.

- It can fire anyone for any reason, and give no reasons.

Boards are largely disciplined not by actual responsibility to stakeholders or shareholders, but by reputational concerns relative to their continuing and future positions - status. In the case of for-profit boards, that does translate directly to upholding shareholder interest, as board members are reliable delegates of a significant investing coalition.

For non-profits, status typically also translates to funding. But when any non-profit has healthy reserves, they are at extreme risk, because the Board is less concerned about its reputation and can become trapped in ideological fashion. That's particularly true for so-called independent board members brought in for their perspectives, and when the potential value of the nonprofit is, well, huge.

This potential for escape from status duty is stronger in our tribalized world, where Board members who welch on larger social concerns or even their own patrons can nonetheless retreat to their (often wealthy) sub-tribe with their dignity intact.

It's ironic that we have so many examples of leadership breakdown as AI comes to the fore. Checks and balances designed to integrate perspectives have fallen prey to game-theoretic strategies in politics and business.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just built an AI to do the work of boards and Congress, integrating various concerns in a roughly fair and mostly-predictable fashion, so we could stop wasting time on endless leadership contests and their social costs?

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