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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by hilux »

jliptzin wrote: post #256
konschubert wrote: post #199

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Yea. No. People stopping to use google for the small stuff will be the beginning of the end of google being the mental default for searches.

There is a wide variety of services available to people for specific use cases. When stack overflow came along, I used that for programming questions instead of google. But I still use google for most other searches. I go to Amazon if I want to find a book or a specific product. For the latest news, I come here, or Reddit, or sometimes twitter. If I want to look up information about a famous person or topic, I go to…

Your last paragraph - yes! Many people haven't realized this yet.

She/he/it/them is an amazing programming tutor.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by twoodfin »

n2d4 wrote: post #479
twoodfin wrote: post #410

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Your forward-looking value to an organization is your value whether it’s realized in equity or not. In the world where Sam Altman leads OpenAI to market dominance and eventual acquisition by Microsoft for $400B or whatever, he obviously would represent an important part of what Microsoft would be buying and would be compensated accordingly.

No he wouldn't, if the CEO is substantially compensated for a $400B acquisition despite not owning equity that would be fraud. It's the CEO's fiduciary duty to act in the best interest of shareholders, if they take a $10bil cut for themselves that is $10bil that could've gone to the shareholders and hence not in their best interest. It is the reason why CEOs (not Sam, apparently) are usually compensated in stock opti…

Steve Jobs ended up handsomely rewarded for his return to Apple well beyond whatever equity he held in NeXT. That’s the kind of ultimate compensation I’m talking about.

Yes, it’s a strategy that would/did require—among other chancey things—Altman to make a big bet on himself rather than OpenAI on him.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by jimmydddd »

angoragoats wrote: post #646
Kye wrote: post #583

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This will blow your mind but English has endless dialects and minor variations. This is like complaining that someone calls soda pop or says y'all.

I’m aware, but this phrase seems to be more meaningless corporate-speak than regional dialect or variation. The only purpose of phrases like this is to make the speaker sound smart at the cost of obfuscating what they mean.

Obfuscating? What's the purpose of using this fancy word? Why not just say "make hard to understand?"

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by OOPMan »

keepamovin wrote: post #494
berniedurfee wrote: post #469

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I disagree. I don’t think LLMs are a pathway to AGI. I think LLMs will lead to incredibly powerful game-changing tools and will drive changes that affect the course of humanity, but this technology won’t lead to AGI directly. I think AGI is going to arrive via a different technology, many years in the future still. LLMs will get to the point where they appear to be AGI, but only in the same way the latest 3D renderin…

I'm not saying LLMs are. LLMs are not the only thing going on right now. But they do enable a powerful tool. I think the path to AGI is: embodiment. Give it a body, let it explore a world, fight to survive, learn action and consequence. Then AGI you will have.

Nice try SkyNet

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by OOPMan »

convexstrictly wrote: post #84
aidaman wrote: post #61

GPT5 pre-training just ended I believe. Brock, Pachocki, Szymon Sidor, would have likely all been involved. These are huge losses. Pachocki led pre-training for GPT-4, and probably GPT-5. Brockman is the major engineer responsible for the efficiency improvements that enabled ChatGPT and GPT-4 to be even remotely cost-effective. That is a piece that is often overlooked, but OpenAI's advantage over the competition in c…

"Greg Brockman works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI." https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

That sounds spectacularly unhealthy

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by macintux »

Kye wrote: post #612
macintux wrote: post #594

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Englisc must ðêos hwierfan

My very rough attempt at translation: "Yes, English must change" Am I close?

I tried for “English must not change” but sadly I never bought that Anglo-Saxon dictionary I lusted after in my favorite used bookstore 30 years ago.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by 9dev »

fsckboy wrote: post #167
9dev wrote: post #76

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I don’t know if people realise that there really isn’t any more prestigious place to work at right now than OpenAI. You don’t leave there for a better opportunity.

> there really isn’t any more prestigious place to work at right now than OpenAI. You don’t leave there for a better opportunity. it's like you wrote this comment yesterday, and not in the context of what has happened

It’s like we’re talking about the motivation of people who left a company and thereby created the very context that happened?

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by ThinkBeat »

deegles wrote: post #421
ThinkBeat wrote: post #413

How difficult would it be for Altman and these guys to start OpenAI² tomorrow and become competitive with their old company? Presumably it would require enormous startup capital?

They could get dump trucks full of cash within a week if they wanted it.

I think you are correct.

I think they literally could get dump trucks full of cash.

I see no reason why they would of course.

Still as far as I understand and I fully admit that Is not a lot, OpenAI is running on a lot of MS cloud, so they would (probably ) ot be able to offer OpenAI² enough compuete in the near future.

I doubt anyone could, but if it became a need I am certain every at scale provider would be doing their upmost to win the business.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

lazystar wrote: post #44
Tohhou wrote: post #35

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You must not use AI if you think this. AI is not the bubble. Everything AI will replace is the bubble.

AI art is already boring. its all a fad, eventually the cracks start to show and you can't unsee those cracks. very similar to bitcoin. tbh.

"This radio thing is a dead end. I usually just get a bunch of static when I turn it on, or maybe an electrical shock. And even if it works, it's only a question of whether a tube burns out before the battery dies." - lazystar's grandpa, circa 1923

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by svnt »

mi3law wrote: post #135
svnt wrote: post #30

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I would appreciate another example where a major new communications technology peaks in its implementation within the first year after it is introduced to the market.

FTX / crypto, which just imploded last year. Look, I'm an AGI/AI researcher myself. I believe and bleed this stuff. AI is here to stay and is forever a part of computing in many ways. Sam Altman and others bastardized it by overhyping it to current levels, derailing real work. All the traction OpenAI has accumulated, outside of github copoilot / codex, is itself so far away from product-market fit that people are pla…

It seems we are talking about multiple different things. I never denied hype was a thing.

You’re talking about hype cycles now. Previously it seemed like you said AI was not going to be advancing.

LLMs are maybe headed into oversold territory, but LLMs are not the end of AI, even in the near term. They are just the UI front end.

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