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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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And there’s no true Scotsman. This sort of thing is - in practice - what capitalism looks like in the 21st century.

I believe Peter Thiel would say that capitalism and competition are opposites, and the goal of capitalism is monopoly. https://morfene.com/021.pdf

I agree. The goal of capitalism is to crush all competition and become a monopoly - and that's ok. The problem is, we should treat the monopoly as the winning end state and then restart the game.

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> My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. I think that point would be stronger if anyone else was open. Google used to run an open messaging service but shut it down as part of their failed attempt to compete with Facebook, and their current professed love…

> and their current professed love of open RCS hasn’t extended to allowing anyone else to use their implementation Google wanted the carriers to all host their own servers. They refused, so Google took it on. Agreed that there are going to be interop issues with Google's RCS implementation, but let's not place all the blame at Google's feet, here. > I think this is basically Apple calling their bluff and telling them…

> Agreed that there are going to be interop issues with Google's RCS implementation, but let's not place all the blame at Google's feet, here.

I have no love for the carriers but to me open would sound like things Google could do unilaterally:

* Android developers can now use the RCS APIs, not just our own app

* Our extensions are released as an open standard waiving any IP litigation except in self-defense

* Our E2EE key server is open to users of other apps and/or supports this federation protocol

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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> My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. I think that point would be stronger if anyone else was open. Google used to run an open messaging service but shut it down as part of their failed attempt to compete with Facebook, and their current professed love…

> Google used to run an open messaging service but shut it down as part of their failed attempt to compete with Facebook, and their current professed love of open RCS hasn’t extended to allowing anyone else to use their implementation. It's funny to read this criticism, when comments in another thread are criticizing Google for running an RCS implementation as a service for carriers. RCS is an open standard, and Goog…

I was mostly referring to the way their E2EE key server is client locked. RCS is open but you’ll have a poor experience unless you only use Google’s own app.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Carriers supported it. Just Apple didn't, for a long time. The reason is obvious: To increase their market dominance in the US, where iMessage is common. Especially among US teens this was apparently successful. Teens didn't want to be the lame green bubble kids with reduced messaging features. They flocked to iPhones. RCS is (was) the prime example of Apple's anticompetitive behavior, after the App Store exclusivity…

Even when they adopt RCS I bet they still punish non Apple users with green bubbles.

the green buble is not for the Android users, it's for the iOS users to know that there may be some taxes for sending the message. even on iOS you get a green bubble if you disable imessage. i don't understand what's in it for you guys for repeating that rethoric about the punishment.

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I'm not sure why people always attribute this observation to Thiel, as if it was something fringe, given how obvious and apparent it is. The goal of a profit-seeking entity is to maximize profit. That is achieved by becoming a monopoly. Competition is just the consequence of multiple entities trying to become a monopoly - there can be only one. This is the motive part of market economy . The energy source. Now, monop…

> Therefore, markets are regulated to prevent monopolies. Markets are regulated to enable monopolies. Bell would have never become a monopoly if there wasn't the regulation involved in laying copper and Microsoft would have never become a monopoly if there wasn't intellectual property regulation.

For Bell, presumably the goal was to provide a monopoly to achieve an otherwise difficult goal: universal service. That's certainly the case with the post office in the UK (although now being eroded).

For Microsoft: I think that's a weird argument. Plus I think there would have been lots of things pushing towards a single big player for desktop computing in the early-middle days (network effects).

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Someone you love? If the affection is mutual they're not going to cut off communication with you because your phone doesn't run their favorite chat app.

A good friend doesn't have phone number for reasons that important to her. She's not "cut off", but it requires a conscious effort to contact her. So while I may be keeping a group of people up to date or inviting folks for a bbq, open house, etc casually, I need to specifically invite her via some other channel. Sometimes I forget. Feelings are hurt. I'm a single parent with a demanding job. Low friction rules the r…

Not having a phone number is much more unusual than having a phone that can do SMS but not iMessage. It adds considerably more friction; e.g. it makes some of the most popular third-party messaging apps like Signal and WhatsApp difficult or impossible to access as well.

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I live in America and literally nobody I know cares about this. Unfortunately I think it's just the typical remnant of the old Mac vs Windows haters who come out of the woodwork online to make it sound like a problem.

1. Kids care about it. Why? Because you can use iMessage via iPad without needing a phone number, and this is how lots of tweens get started with messaging. 2. Any Android users with iPhone friends trying to use iMessage for group chat cares about it. It's impossible to add Android users to an existing group chat... and any time you have a mixed iPhone + Android group chat it degrades a number of the iMessage group c…

I have a feeling with the EU's DMA this will just become more prevalent with every messaging platform forced to "open up"

FB Messenger will have a "green bubble" for messages to people using whatever other app they're forced to integrate. Same with Whatsapp, Telegram, etc...

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>I see all arguments to force Apple to open up iMessage as punishing them for building a platform that people want that the majority of the US has bought into. I see all arguments that Apple shouldn't be forced to open up iMessage (or implement RCS) as forcing me to have a worse phone experience because I didn't buy an iPhone from the company that said "if you want to sideload apps, buy an Android". "Just use a third…

> "Just use a third-party app" is not a solution for people who text with the normal messaging app, and I sure as hell would never beg them to migrate to Whatsapp of all things. But there's no reason to move. Your messages still get to iPhone users via SMS with a different color. What's the beef with the blue v. green anyway? The messages get there. Don't like it? There's plenty of iPhones or other iOS devices that c…

Try texting an iPhone user a picture or video and look at the garbage they receive from you.

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> It’s a made-up issue. My biggest pet peeve is when people have an issue that doesn't affect them so they need to declare it as "fake". Just because you don't feel the problem doesn't mean "it's a made up issue". The following are simply facts: 1. In the US, among iPhone users, iMessage is by far the dominant messaging service. 2. Among certain socioeconomic groups in the US, iPhone is by far the dominant mobile pho…

The sad thing for me is that even though almost all my contacts have iPhones, the lowest common denominator effect means everyone ends up using WhatsApp to allow everyone to join. That’s definitely a worse outcome

Why is that worse? Isn't WhatsApp a better alternative?
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