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Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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I was reading the trial report by Inner City Press. The AUSAs were incredibly thorough and strategic. The evidences were air-tight, the cross-examination was masterfully controlled with precision and incisiveness, and of course the closing argument was forceful. It was a great joy to read the report, as if I was watching an extended episode of The Good Fight. On the other hand, the defense was really weak, quite hand…

The defense really had no option. Several of Bankman-Fried's previous defense teams quit on him due to his behavior. Even in this trial, during a session with just the judge, the defense made an objection to a question, the judge sustained it, but Bankman-Fried answered anyways. His own defense team asked him where had he been this entire trial because the objection was sustained, you didn't have to answer that. Bank…

Well said.

> Several of Bankman-Fried's previous defense teams quit on him

I remember SBF told someone at some point during his ill-advised media tour post-collapse, that his lawyers could "go fuck themselves".

But I was wondering what happened then with said lawyer... Is there a list somewhere of the teams that quit?

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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post #68

https://time.com/6330323/sbf-trial-biggest-bombshells/ - interesting in this article showing what Alameda spent their stolen money on is that they made a $500million bet/investment on Anthropic, who Google just committed to investing $2billion into. Could have turned out great!

It seems to me that FTX was just doomed to fail because of the way they operated. This would only have given them the time to do more damage.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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> You’d think this MIT graduate would wise up, but he never did. The MIT campus has a major public road running through the middle of it, one of the busiest surface streets in the area. You don't have to stand there very long to see a crowd of students almost get hit by a car because they didn't look before they crossed the street. Point is, the old cliche is true, there really is such a thing as a person with a lot…

It's quite insane that your society puts the onus on the pedestrians not to get hit, and even makes it illegal to cross the road. It should be the licensed drivers' responsibility to not hit someone. And in the middle of a campus cars should of course yield to pedestrians. Such a car-centric world.

would you say the same for trains?

and if not why?

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there really is such a thing as a person with a lot of book-learning but less common sense than a sea slug I don't even think SBF had the book-learning, just intellectual arrogance. "I don’t want to say no book is ever worth reading, but I actually do believe something pretty close to that. I think, if you wrote a book, you f---ed up, and it should have been a six-paragraph blog post."

The craziest thing to me is that when he was saying things like that noone in the mainstream media was questioning him. The FT had a very flattering lunch interview with him shortly before his demise. It was embarrassing how they were portraying him.

Maybe not the mainstream media but I feel like a lot people, especially in the Bitcoin community, were suspicious of him. He just screamed grifter to me. I never really bought his arbitrage story either and wouldn't be surprised if that was not his first scam.

Here's an interview he gave a few months before the FTX collapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6nAxiym9oc

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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post #510

Reminds me of working for MCI-Worldcom. When you think you’re working for crooks, you probably are. Run away.

Tell a naive young guy more. What are the red flags?

Far reaching stories of how money is made and the numbers don't actually make any sense. Or it is all financialization. Also unrealistic profits. Without known number of paying customers and known spending.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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I liked the article detailing how poorly he did on the stand: https://www.thefp.com/p/humiliating-cross-examination-sam-ba... “Did you say in private, ‘Fuck regulators?’ ” “Did you call some customers ‘dumb motherfuckers?’ ” “Did you fly to the Super Bowl in a private plane?” “Most FTX customers did not have a line of credit, correct?” “Do you deny that Alameda had a $65 billion line of credit?” And on, and on, and o…

> You’d think this MIT graduate would wise up, but he never did.

I think there were potentially two problems. First, for the previous 10 years, lying and taking massive risks actually did work for him: Even if some people became disillusioned and stopped buying what he was selling, he could just walk away from them and start working with people who would.

Secondly -- well, what else could he have done? It's a bit like back when we saw those AIs playing Go or Starcraft or whatever at the point where it was clear they were going to lose: They'd just start making random moves, because terrible moves had as much chance of winning as "minimize loss" moves.

There's an interesting article I read which is half book review, half critique of SBF and "Effective Altruism" (EA), that has some interesting connections[1]. Basically, EA encourages "cost / benefits utilitarian analysis" thinking; every time SBF lied (or committed fraud), he could tell himself that it was actually moral because it maximized some other good towards thinking people somehow. It also encourages poker-type gambling in some circumstances, where it makes sense to take a bet where you lose 75% of the time, as long as the potential payout is larger than 4x.

And if that article's reading is right, FTX actually had a profitable business. All they had to do was sit back and take x% of trades and they would have been fine. But that wouldn't have been a huge massive multiple that SBF was looking for, so he went in for a bunch of poker-style bets with his customer's money -- ultimately in the name of making more money to give that money away. (And he did actually give a load of money away, even when it didn't make financial sense to do so.)

SBF's choices were:

1. Accept that you're going to jail for a long time no matter what, and try to minimize the damage. Maybe you can cut your jail time in half.

2. See if you can weasel your way out of it. Maybe your jail time is a bit worse, but maybe you don't get any at all.

First of all, he'd always been able to do #2 so far, so why would this time be any different?

Secondly, #1 means a huge emotional downside for current SBF; #2 only means a potential downside for future SBF. The attitude he got into, where he screwed everyone else in favor of "current SBF", carries over into screwing "future SBF". So there's a sort of poetic justice to it.

[1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/AocXh6gJ9tJC2WyCL/book-revie...

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there really is such a thing as a person with a lot of book-learning but less common sense than a sea slug I don't even think SBF had the book-learning, just intellectual arrogance. "I don’t want to say no book is ever worth reading, but I actually do believe something pretty close to that. I think, if you wrote a book, you f---ed up, and it should have been a six-paragraph blog post."

The craziest thing to me is that when he was saying things like that noone in the mainstream media was questioning him. The FT had a very flattering lunch interview with him shortly before his demise. It was embarrassing how they were portraying him.

> The craziest thing to me is that when he was saying things like that noone in the mainstream media was questioning him.

Well, what's the difference between an unhinged, drug-addled loony and an eccentric visionary genius?

The difference is having $26 billion.

Why not call him out on what seems like bullshit? That bullshit has convinced "informed" tech investors like Softbank and Sequoia Capital. And elsewhere at the same time, Andreessen Horowitz is investing $450 million in ape jpegs.

This is absolutely gourmet, Grade A, top quality wagyu bullshit.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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I liked the article detailing how poorly he did on the stand: https://www.thefp.com/p/humiliating-cross-examination-sam-ba... “Did you say in private, ‘Fuck regulators?’ ” “Did you call some customers ‘dumb motherfuckers?’ ” “Did you fly to the Super Bowl in a private plane?” “Most FTX customers did not have a line of credit, correct?” “Do you deny that Alameda had a $65 billion line of credit?” And on, and on, and o…

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SBF was a bright lad at school and thought that made him a universal genius.

There's persistent rumours that he was set up and backed by Tether/Bitfinex, after the heat got a bit much for Bitfinex in 2017.

Notice how Alameda somehow printed $39 billion "worth" of tethers and only ever sent about $4 billion of actual money/crypto to Tether.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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post #393

> You’d think this MIT graduate would wise up, but he never did. The MIT campus has a major public road running through the middle of it, one of the busiest surface streets in the area. You don't have to stand there very long to see a crowd of students almost get hit by a car because they didn't look before they crossed the street. Point is, the old cliche is true, there really is such a thing as a person with a lot…

I think a lot of the time he couldn't control his autism.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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post #622

I liked the article detailing how poorly he did on the stand: https://www.thefp.com/p/humiliating-cross-examination-sam-ba... “Did you say in private, ‘Fuck regulators?’ ” “Did you call some customers ‘dumb motherfuckers?’ ” “Did you fly to the Super Bowl in a private plane?” “Most FTX customers did not have a line of credit, correct?” “Do you deny that Alameda had a $65 billion line of credit?” And on, and on, and o…

>just as often, he chose to dance around the question, to quibble about the phrasing, or say that he couldn’t remember the details. And every time he did that—every single time Which is exactly what representatives from Facebook, Google and Microsoft did on trials and when being questioned by congress

> Which is exactly what representatives from Facebook, Google and Microsoft did on trials

To be exact, they weren't trials; only hearings.

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