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Internet-connected cars fail privacy and security tests conducted by Mozilla

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Post by sedro »

callalex wrote: post #571
sedro wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same in parts of the US. In California, insurers are only allowed to collect the mileage.

>In California, insurers are only allowed to collect the mileage. Hmm, I am in California and have stalker auto insurance. The app they provide me shows a complete GPS map of every trip I take. So they definitely collect that information, but maybe you’re saying they can’t price discriminate based on it? Where did you learn about that rule?

California Code Regulations, title 10, Section 2632.5 - Rating Factors

It carves out an exception for "using a technological device to collect information about the location of the insured vehicle as part of an emergency road service, theft service, map service or travel service."

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Post by mdp2021 »

jmclnx wrote: post #650
mdp2021 wrote: post #646

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The problem is complying with legislation. This is worse than phones.

Plus from what I understand, the law Enforcement Community wants all Autos to have a Kill Switch. Where if they want to stop you, they can via wifi. I think some already comes with that.

Many already come with that. (I am not aware of which models though. Toyota should have it in many.)

As a rule of thumb you could consider "cars which are planned as vehicles that could be lent for longer periods of time": it is foreseen that if the client stops paying for the subscription, the car is remotely disabled.

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Post by lunias »

tristor wrote: post #132

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

I currently own a 2012 VW GTI that I bought new 11 years ago. It has 123k miles and lots of modifications. I recently compiled a short list of both EVs and ICE vehicles to compare against it; the Toyota GR Corolla was on my list:

2023 Toyota GR Corolla AWD

3285 LBS / 300 HP = 10.9 LBS / HP

RANGE: 25 mpg * 13.2 gallons = 330 mi

PRICE: 44k

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2012 VW MK6 GTI (K04) FWD

3000 LBS / 330 WHP = 9.1 LBS / WHP

RANGE: 23 mpg * 14.5 gallons = 333 mi

PRICE: --------------------------------------------------

I think the GR Corolla is great, but even after 11 years it's sadly not really a convincing upgrade for me. The GR Corolla is less powerful (in both torque and horsepower), it has one less cylinder and less displacement, it weighs more, it gets essentially the same mileage and has the same range, and it costs much more. The Corolla does have AWD though.

Here's the common "upgrade" for me:

2023 VW Golf R AWD

3400 LBS / 315 HP = 10.8 LBS / HP

RANGE: 28 mpg * 14.5 gallons = 406 mi

PRICE: 47k

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Again, the Golf R is also great, but it's also less powerful and weighs more. It gets slightly better mileage than my current car, but costs even more than the GR Corolla.

Finding something new that is "better" out of the box than my 11 year old GTI would cost me at least 56k (Toyota GR Supra RWD) or if I want AWD then it's more like 66k (Audi RS3 AWD). If I want something electric and "better" then it's at least 89k (Tesla Model S). These prices are really high to begin with; when you add in dealer markups they become insane propositions. For your money you'll also have to contend with with touch screens, capacitive buttons, and a bunch of other tech that you don't want or need. The market seems to be in a pretty sad state for car guys. Unless something changes I'll be rebuilding my engine with forged internals and continuing to drive my GTI.

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #577
TeMPOraL wrote: post #554

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> would be like McDonalds charging for extra salt on their fries. Aren't they? I had a vague impression it happened. And of course, some McDonalds' locations charge you something absurd for an extra ketchup packet.

Pretty much any McDonalds I’ve been to in Central Europe has a charge on each condiment pack.

In my experience in the USA, most fast food restaurants in the suburbs give away sauces for free, but the ones in cities charge for everything. Seems to also be correlated with whether or not the fast food restaurant has self serve soda fountains versus soda poured behind the counter.

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Post by tristor »

lunias wrote: post #653
tristor wrote: post #132

Of all the horrible things go on with privacy these days, this is the one I hate the most. I’m a “car guy”, but not the sort that obsesses over old cars (although I do love 60s and 80s cars). I like new tech, I like the advances in engineering we’ve made in new vehicles, I like EVs even. Nonetheless I’ve been in the market for a new car for months and haven’t bought because it’s hard to find any cars that meet my req…

I currently own a 2012 VW GTI that I bought new 11 years ago. It has 123k miles and lots of modifications. I recently compiled a short list of both EVs and ICE vehicles to compare against it; the Toyota GR Corolla was on my list: 2023 Toyota GR Corolla AWD 3285 LBS / 300 HP = 10.9 LBS / HP RANGE: 25 mpg * 13.2 gallons = 330 mi PRICE: 44k -------------------------------------------------- 2012 VW MK6 GTI (K04) FWD 300…

FWIW, you’ve arrived at some of the same conclusions that I have. The only cars really in the running for me now are the GR Corolla, Golf R, RS3, and at least temporarily I’m probably going to start with a Mazda3 Turbo since it’s AWD now.

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Post by gonehome »

rootusrootus wrote: post #533
HumblyTossed wrote: post #477

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I bet they don't. Muscle memory is a thing. Do you look down at your blinker lever to change it? How about your wipers? If you have controls on your steering wheel, do you look at those to press them? I bet not.

I'd take that bet. The only controls I use muscle memory for are some of the steering wheel buttons (not all, e.g. I still have to look for the cruise control on/off for my F250) and the stalks. And even then, when I switch between cars I sometimes have to glance to remind myself which functionality the right stalk has. For climate controls and such, I pretty much always glance. The only knob I can reliably hit witho…

My original comment was flag-killed, the irony of what constitutes a forbidden opinion on HN.

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Post by foxyv »

klooney wrote: post #644
foxyv wrote: post #486

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I love Honda interiors. The base models are almost always the best with big unique knobs and buttons. However, I'm really disappointed on their electrification. I would speculate that their misguided attempt to push Hydrogen is going to kill the Japanese companies if they don't invest in BEVs soon. I would seriously consider a 300 mile range, electrified Honda Fit using Chevy's Ultium platform. But it seems car compa…

Isn't that just a Bolt?

The bolt doesn't have the big knobs and buttons. Also it has those stupid displays that cost as much as the car is worth instead of a dashboard. Compare it to the controls for the Honda Fit here:

https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/Auto/izmo/354382/2013_...

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Post by foxyv »

mlrtime wrote: post #623
foxyv wrote: post #468

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This is the exact reason I bought an automatic. I had a 1994 BMW 318is that I loved, but I spent probably a couple thousand hours on the 91 freeway in southern California pushing the clutch in and out. The BMW "sporty" clutch was a leg workout and a half. The return spring was super stiff. Sometimes I would play a game to see if I could stay in first and just let my lead distance increase enough to not have to stop a…

This is actually how you're supposed to drive in traffic. Give more space to the car in front of you and try to stay at a constant speed. You will see truckers do this a lot. It also is much better for your car and mental health. You don't need to accelerate to a complete stop over and over. I do this every time I'm in very bad traffic (Think inching along and coming to a complete stop multiple times). However about…

I tried it once or twice. It was great for the first minute or so, until the lady in the car behind me started honking, screaming, revving her engine, and pretending like she was going to ram my bumper. People HATE when I try to reach average traffic speeds instead of just cramming my car as close to the one in front of me as I dare.
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