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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by malermeister »

robomartin wrote: post #620
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

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> I can't identify a single person in history who has dared to risk so much, personally and financially, in support of freedom in many forms.

The guy literally banned a bunch of people for making fun of him shortly after he took over, then proceeded to ban journalists for... doing journalism.

Now he's censoring any mention of competitors in an obviously anti-competitive move

What are you talking about?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by throwntoday »

cyberphobe wrote: post #240
throwntoday wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are laying the groundwork to allow creators to monetize their tweets and additional content. As it stands a lot of creators are monetizing their content off platform (patreon, substack, youtube, onlyfans, etc.) and the goal is to lock them and their content into twitter. I think it's a good idea as content is king, but they should have rolled this out after they had established an ability to monetize. On…

Yeah it's probably that, not that everyone is fleeing Elon's $44 billion dying platform and he's is trying to stop it in whatever way he can.

Do you even use twitter? Activity is the same as it's ever been. I think many people are overstating how many people are "fleeing" because of their personal disdain for Musk.

If they were actually concerned with people fleeing why would they do something which is more likely to make creators leave?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by rdxm »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by stefan_ »

r_hoods_ghost wrote: post #491
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Not a villain? Well he's utterly screwed his employees and broken employment law in multiple countries by not giving proper notice or consulting on redundancies, but hey who gives a shit about workers rights? Not you obviously.

No he's rich, so he is just "eccentric". What a sellout.

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Post by dd36 »

robomartin wrote: post #620
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

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What are you even referring to?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by braingenious »

lost_tourist wrote: post #517
braingenious wrote: post #121

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What sort of decisions or behavior would lead you to believe that somebody is stupid?

Someone who claims to hold a basic concept of something as straight forward as "free speech absolutist" and doesn't see the logical incoherence of proceeding to ban reporters and others who publish and aggregate publicly available information (@elonjet).

I personally agree with this.

Further, I think “somebody that spends an extraordinary amount of money to become admin on a forum (one of the worst jobs on earth)” qualifies as “a stupid person” well before “being incredibly, laughably, hilariously inept at being a forum admin” even gets factored into the “How stupid can a person be?” equation.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by mschuster91 »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

> He's eccentric, definitely, but that should be news to no one.

Being "eccentric" usually means non-mainstream clothing, music taste, a big ass selection of historic cars or similar things.

Musk? Dude literally interacts with or unbans high-profile neo-Nazis and antisemites. That's not "eccentric" by any definition, that's enabling the vilest of the vile. No, banning Kanye again doesn't excuse all the other Nazi accounts.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by mcv »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

> His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself.

I used to think that too, but I've since come across a story that SpaceX actually has people who's informal job is to manage him, and they present their ideas in such a way that he thinks they're his, in order to keep him happy. He's mostly there to bring money and hype.

No idea if that story is true, but honestly, it would explain some things.

The impression he's been giving me recently is that his success may have broken him. Too many people worshipping him and praising literally every crazy thing he does, may have made him believe he can do literally everything including run a social media company on his own without first learning how social media companies work. He honestly seems to be running Twitter into the ground. The mass firings he started with, followed by ruining the blue checkmark feature, really didn't make it look like he knows what he's doing. His management style sounds like hell.

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #237

Remember how George Lucas made Star Wars and became the genius billionaire who could do no wrong. Then he got a divorce and made Howard the Duck (quite possibly the worst movie of all time). I think the same thing is happening here. As a startup founder you have guardrails, spouses, investors. You have Brian De Palma rewriting the opening trailer crawl, you have Marcia Lucas helping the edit, and you have your old pr…

Whoa whoa whoa! Worst movie of all time? I still mutter “Slice salami!” To myself while cutting things.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by kjksf »

_cenw wrote: post #610
speakfreely wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organizing the efforts of large teams of smart people is one of the most high value activities you can do in our society. Edit: not saying that's happening at Twitter, but it has demonstrably occurred at Tesla and SpaceX.

This wasn't an achievement for SpaceX. Lots of very talented people wanted to work on space based on passion alone. It just came down to providing funding at a time space privatization was an uncertain venture. Compare to Neuralink mostly being a failure.

No one wanted to work at SpaceX initially. It took Musk's persistence and ability to sell a vision to hire first employees. And yes, also money. But just money gives you Blue Origin, not SpaceX.

It took SpaceX many years and a few rockets blowing up before they had first successful lunch so what you expect Neuralink to have achieved by now?

They're making progress. Let's revisit the "Neuarlink is a failure" 10 years from now.

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