Kanye West is buying Parler • Hacker News Board

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by danem » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

seanw444 wrote: post #453

triceratops wrote: post #434

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There's plenty of free-speech protocols, at various levels of the networking stack. TCP/IP. BitTorrent. HTTP. FTP. IRC. As long as you have an Internet connection, you have a voice.

I guess my point is about the adoption of said platforms. Yes, lots exist. They're too clunky or confusing for the layperson though.

Time has shown again and again that open communication protocols generally lose to walled-gardens. Open protocols stagnate, don't attract capital, and cater to enthusiasts. Most people are perfectly happy with closed platforms and the promise of openness isn't worth even minor inconveniences to them.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by poopnugget » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

qwerty456127 wrote: post #88

luckylion wrote: post #80

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> Nevertheless obvious (although not to everyone) absurd, blatant lies and manipulations shouldn't be covered by the free speech umbrella. "Capitalism is the problem", "modern employment is wage slavery". These are absurd, blatant lies meant to manipulate. Would you have statements like that removed?

These are opinions. And I lean to agreeing with them (except I don't think anybody knows a good solution to the problem). Blatant lies/absurd are things like all (or almost all) people of specific race are inherently evil or stupid, they control the state for their wicked aims and there is a gene for specific preferences which ought to be eradicated or we are doomed.

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by joenathanone » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

frankhhhhhhhhh wrote: post #646

What the heck happened to The Verge? Haven't visited in a while and it doesn't even seem like it's the same site.

They have become the avocado toast of tech news sites. I remember when they first got started as This Is My Next, when they had Joanna Stern, Joshua Topolsky and Paul Miller, the good ole days...

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by citilife » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

kgwxd wrote: post #649

citilife wrote: post #626

I think others may be missing the fact of why Kanye could be buying Parler - Kanye just had his bank account closed by JP Morgan (for what appears to be his beliefs) https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/13/kanye-west-bank-jp-morgan-end... - Kanye was kicked off instagram & twitter https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-west-ins... - It's still unclear exactly why both occurred. Supposedly it's antisemitism, but h…

He'll be in on the GloriFi grift real soon too I'm sure. Same bad actors involved.

Is there a reason you call it a grift? Or "bad actors"?

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Post by fzeroracer » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #135

tlb wrote: post #84

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A platform that hosted both objectionable speech and regular speech together might be tolerable to read. But the most of the regular speech ends up on popular platforms than ban objectionable speech, so the free-speech sites are left with mostly the objectionable stuff, which makes them pretty unpleasant to read. It makes it hard to start a new platform. People start free-speech platforms with good intentions of havi…

The hidden piece of the puzzle here is that objectionable speech pushes regular speech out. Most users don't want to wade through toxicity to get to signal. If they're discussing a topic of interest, say baking, and someone comes in and starts ranting on how a vast global conspiracy made up of surprisingly-homogeneous ethnicity given its global scale is pushing up the price of yeast to weaken the market for white bre…

> Given their own freedom, when given a choice, users tend to select moderated channels over unmoderated ones. We've been doing the Internet long enough to know this to be true.

This is true, but unfortunately the same mistakes keep being made because people don't pay attention to the history of the internet or didn't grow up during that era. We've known that completely unfettered discussion leads to self destruction since the Usenet era. But the lessons aren't heeded or ignored, so we get people that either stay ignorant or learn the hard way.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by filoleg » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:31 PM UTC

kgwxd wrote: post #566

filoleg wrote: post #452

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It was genuine. He worked hard to get good at making beats, to the point he got signed at Roc-a-Fella Records to make beats for big artists at the time (Jay-Z, Alicia Keys, etc). He was super known for that in the industry, but Kanye insisted on one specific term of the contract - they gotta let him release his own album. Which they hesitantly allowed, because they thought he was just gonna fail and go back to what t…

> All of this is confirmed by tons of other people affiliated with Roc-a-Fella Records (like Jay-Z and others) at the time. They're in on the story.

I mean, it's the same story now that's been told since the time all of this was happening, and Kanye was indeed having issues with his first album getting even published. And it is also true that pretty much everyone expected his first album to flop.

Unless literally everything said about the matter by everyone involved was an extremely consistent lie that they all conspired to perfectly maintain for 20+ years and ongoing, I find it very difficult to agree with your statement.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by kleton » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

His name is now legally Ye. Would you deadname Chelsea Manning in the same way?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by glonq » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:34 PM UTC

If you're an advisor/accountant/manger to Kanye, do you just shake your head and sigh when stuff like this happens?

Or maybe they don't give a damn because they are also financially benefiting from this guy's mental illness?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by parker_mountain » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:35 PM UTC

citilife wrote: post #615

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. I find this take interesting -- Kanye is insanely successful in multiple categories. He is very eccentric and always has been. > Kanye is now a Black Hebrew Israelite That said, calling him mentally ill or having a breakdown is a bit... odd. There are tens of thousands of "Black Hebrews", there are MANY more Scientologists. Is Tom Cruis…

> That said, calling him mentally ill or having a breakdown is a bit... odd.

Kanye himself has said, in the past, that he has bipolar disorder and has had manic episodes. His family has corroborated that, and his wife was open about taking responsibilities during the bad days.

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Post by martin1975 » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 7:35 PM UTC

enragedcacti wrote: post #639

martin1975 wrote: post #547

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Assuming the user's comment meets the legal definition of 1A speech and is not porn, if you can show me a single instance where anyone that posted a comment that was either removed or censored in some way by anyone with access at Gab, I will personally send you USD $50 in crypto at any address you specify in the comment, after I corroborate your example/evidence with Gab's management. I've been on Gab since its incep…

User 3 in this article was banned for "spam" which as far as I am aware is not illegal. Gizmodo received a response from Gab saying "spam is not free speech." https://gizmodo.com/even-the-freest-free-speech-site-still-b... Also, HN user encryptluks2 says he was banned "for making a post asking how are all the domestic terrorists Trump supporters doing after the capitol riot." They may be able to give you the info to…

I can't message that guy directly nor can I reply to his comment to ask for more info. That kind of speech definitely falls into legal 1A speech. It also seemed like he was baiting - which is as you pointed out, not illegal speech.

I'd also like you to consider another possibility - people on the internet lie and distort the truth. A lot. Eg. he may have gotten banned, but not for what he says here on HN. Or he may not have been banned at all but knows he'll get upvotes on HN if he bashes Gab, which was initially backed by YCombinator....until it wasn't. I'll let you figure out why they stopped supporting them.