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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by fsflover »

ricardonunez wrote: post #577
gonehome wrote: post #549

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Thanks for the heads up - this is exactly the kind of thing I would be annoyed about if I bought it and why I abandoned laptop linux after college. Maybe one day, but unlikely soon as apple just accelerates their lead. I’m happy others are buying it though and funding them - I hope they get there.

One day? I have heard the same thing for almost 20 years.

Suspend works flawlessly on my Librem 15 for many years. Every new hardware needs some time to get a proper support with Linux.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by bipson »

XorNot wrote: post #649
0x38B wrote: post #606

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I just played through Mass Effect 2 & 3 on mine (Intel i5) with no problems, using Wine. When I do upgrade my main board, I may get the i7 for better graphics performance. Another huge + is setting battery charge limit with a console command (1). When I’m connected to power at home, I run `ectool fwchargelimit 60` to keep the battery at 60%. If I’m going out, I set it to 100% in the morning and let it charge. 1: http…

This doesn't seem useful based on what I know about LiIon batteries: they don't benefit from partial charges, since their capacity loss comes from discharge behaviour.

LiIon batteries apparently benefit a lot from not never being at 100% and 0%.

I think there is a reason why car manufacturers over-provision (i.e. the better designed electric vehicles never charge to real 100 %)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

nikodunk wrote: post #371
doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

Agreed! Got one from work, and it's a beast on Fedora 36 with the 11th gen. Even the discrete-ish Iris Xe graphics are surprisingly fast. So cool that we'll actually be able to update the innards in a few years as necessary to keep it feeling fresh. Edit: A small but nice design feature is the light that comes on to imply whether the usb-c port is charging properly. Coming from a mac that removed this feature when us…

>Even the discrete-ish Iris Xe graphics are surprisingly fast. So cool that we'll actually be able to update the innards in a few years as necessary to keep it feeling fresh.

Isn't Intel graphics always been the best bet for Linux due to their excellent driver support? I'm excited for their discrete GPUs just for the sake of proper Linux support.

I have an 15W haswell machine in the corner decoding & encoding multiple HD camera feeds from motion on integrated GPU using intel_vaapi while the CPU is free for postgres, redis and a qemu VM - 24*7.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by gigatexal »

gigatexal wrote: post #396
doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

The new revision with the 12-gen chips does it fix the complaints people have had about loud fan noise? I am super on the fence between this and an arm mac - this is super customizable but the arm chips in the air are silent — no fan.

Yep. Plan to run Fedora 36

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by gigatexal »

popol12 wrote: post #500
gigatexal wrote: post #396

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The new revision with the 12-gen chips does it fix the complaints people have had about loud fan noise? I am super on the fence between this and an arm mac - this is super customizable but the arm chips in the air are silent — no fan.

If you’re on Linux, this does the job https://community.frame.work/t/linux-fan-speed-controller-wi...

Thank you!!!

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jotm »

codethief wrote: post #522
loginatnine wrote: post #229

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I'll copy paste a comment I made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096793 but I'm also guessing logistics. They gave a IMO good overview of the difficulties of selling to a new country in a previous post : > With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you’re outside of the US and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, whi…

I'd say they need none of that. Not only is barely anything of that a legal requirement in the EU, it's also a waste of money and resources to set this up in every country when you're mainly addressing pro users and tinkerers. I bought & imported a Supernote e-ink tablet from China the other day. The manufacturer offers none of the things mentioned above, heck their support team barely speaks English (but god knows t…

It's just dumb, really. Just make an "international" version and ship it from one EU country.

I can understand not shipping to a "untrustworthy" country like Romania or Poland (lol), but Sweden, Italy, Belgium? Even they register for mail forwarding services in order to buy from Germany (and before, UK).

It's much easier to buy from AliExpress, the CCP can't believe their luck with us drowning ourselves in redundant regulations while producing there because of lack of them.

On that note, Russia makes 2/3 of the world's nuclear power plants and they built this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Bridge in THREE YEARS. We can't manage a stupid river bridge for the same budget in a decade.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jotm »

reaperducer wrote: post #292
loginatnine wrote: post #229

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I'll copy paste a comment I made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096793 but I'm also guessing logistics. They gave a IMO good overview of the difficulties of selling to a new country in a previous post : > With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you’re outside of the US and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, whi…

A lot of that sounds like legal and paperwork problems. I thought the whole point of the E.U. was to break down those cross-border paint points. Or is it still a work in progress? Can an E.U. person say if this is going to change?

That's mostly self imposed legal and paper work. They could ship the German version EU wide, but they don't. Because they want to "provide the best experience". You know what would be the best experience? Buying the damn thing without paying extra for mail forwarding.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by freemint »

noveltyaccount wrote: post #391
freemint wrote: post #354

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Digitizers are really expensive. I am not sure if Framework is big enough to handle this. Just buy a snall wacom tablet and put it next to the laptop that also works.

That is definitely not the same thing as being able to reach up & touch the display, or flip the display 360 degrees into "tablet mode" :) Maybe I'm a minority in liking a laptop to be able to do those kinds of things.

I own a L380 Yoga. Exactly because of this experience i can tell you Framework can't make this yet.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jotm »

chrisseaton wrote: post #76
capableweb wrote: post #17

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> Any news on plans for AMD models? This is the only thing stopping me from getting a Framework laptop right now. I'd pay a premium for it as well.

Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?

AMD offers higher performance, better thermals and arguably better integrated graphics for the price.

Plus they made Intel drop their prices by ~50% since launching Ryzen, for which they deserve the money :)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by arc-in-space »

codethief wrote: post #522
loginatnine wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll copy paste a comment I made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096793 but I'm also guessing logistics. They gave a IMO good overview of the difficulties of selling to a new country in a previous post : > With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you’re outside of the US and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, whi…

I'd say they need none of that. Not only is barely anything of that a legal requirement in the EU, it's also a waste of money and resources to set this up in every country when you're mainly addressing pro users and tinkerers. I bought & imported a Supernote e-ink tablet from China the other day. The manufacturer offers none of the things mentioned above, heck their support team barely speaks English (but god knows t…

This. The "complete experience" is nonsense to me. I don't need any of this, aside from a functioning power cable and whatever is required to pass basic legal checks. If you give me documentation that isn't in English it will go in the trash immediately. I definitely do not want your localized keyboard, either.

Right now you're just forcing people to jump through hoops by not allowing them to directly order from anywhere.

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