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Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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> Diversity is good, but being ____ is bad. Can you fill in the blank? I actually have no idea what you are referring to here.

As an example from my son, a 13 year old white kid, gave me is that if you have one of the "diversity cards" (minority, LGBQT+, female sometimes, or some other thing) than you get to joke and talk in a way than those that don't have such a card. So his friends that are gay or black or indian or disabled are able to tease each other about it and have more liberty to use terms that my son is not allowed to. The gay kid…

I see this often with gangs I grew up around. Black people can call each other niggers in a casual, non-attack way. But as soon as a white person does it, it’s racist.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

But which of those things has changed over the past 30-40 years? All things being equal, it seems like social media has amplified the problems. Kids were always bullied, but they could escape it when they went home or left school. Now it follows them 24/7 from a device in their pocket.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Social media definitely amplifies it, but consider the economic and social environment that teenagers have lived through their entire lives. Multiple major recessions, a global pandemic, rising inflation, housing and education getting more expensive by the day, prospect of a mountain of debt right after graduation, climate that will be unlivable in a few decades, political extremism becoming the norm, and massive gov…

It has literally been the best economic and social time for people over the last 70 years. People live longer, we have far more wealth, we haven't had a global conflict in forever, etc.

So much of what we fill kids' heads with today is crap. There's no reason to be freaking out about the climate. Politics have always been divisive and "extreme" but there's a lot of examples of way more chaotic things in the not so distant past. Europe was in non-stop war with each other for hundreds of years until 1945 for example. The USA is no where near a civil war.

They are inheriting a great world but an imperfect world. Every generation has. Every generation has had problems to solve.

People with attitudes like yours who are misanthropic and depressed and may need help that are the problem. If you're miserable, find a way not to be. Stop trying to share it with everyone else.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#654

Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

I’ll counter that with the caveat that my kids are grade 5 and younger. We’re very involved in school and other activities - my wife is a PTO president and long time member, I coach youth sports and other community type programs. The kids we have seen mostly don’t engage with social media directly. But the ones who transition from cute 5-6 year olds to problematic 10-12 year olds have a key common factor. Tablets. Yo…

I played on, probably, one of the worst soccer teams in the country. Weekly double digit losses. In soccer. Still had fun. I didn't go pro as it turns out. Somehow, I suspect I wouldn't have, even if I'd been on the best team in the country... Is soccer skill actually a realistic long-term concern for your kid? Most people don't become professional athletes.

I mean, it is literally a game, he shouldn't feel the need to "fully commit." That coach just seems like a jerk, to me. Look for a lower-stakes league, maybe? Plus if your kid has put in a couple years on this super intense team, he'd probably be a super-star in a normal one.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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In my mind they intellectually coddle users by providing an echo chamber where they can spout their ideas to a group chosen specifically of people who will agree with them.

Is that different compared to teenage social groups of the past?

In the past most, especially school aged children and college age adults, needed to carefully craft your acquaintance group and police them through concerted effort, sometimes over years, to get a self-selected group who would challenge you so little. Now all the work is done for you using data you’ve been submitting for review literally the entire time you use the internet.

The real tragedy for me is how many kids and adults go online out of curiosity on a subject and end up on twitter, or facebook, or YouTube. The curiosity gets replaced with seeking those dopamine hits from endlessly scrolling.

Edit: dont forget youtube.

Imagine you have a history of buying into hysterics (or “enjoys controversial science”) and are curious about astronomy, or politics. Log on to youtube or facebook to find communities where people are discussing these topics and you’re directed to flat earth, and qanon, pol pot fans, among others.

These established groups are full of people who will tell you whatever you were on about is dead on, any time someone comes in and shares evidence to the contrary can be banned so you don't need to think about it anymore, dogpiled on so that their responses become less and less informative, accused of brigading. All this gives you a good out if you'd like to avoid being challenged and just straight pulling in those dopamine hits.

Again you can do this in real life but it takes work to keep and maintain an echo chamber in the real world. On social media you’re effectively automating away the problem.

Edit: don't forget about the tankies

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Indeed, one generation breaking the loop can support the next. Perhaps the antidote to social media is regularly sharing with your children: it doesn't matter what Alice or Bob think of you, ignore them and do what you enjoy most with this gift of life.

I appreciate the sentiment, but question how realistic this is. Social media is where my kids interact with their peer group. By the time they hit their teens "sharing with dad" can't compete with that. I still try but I don't expect to have the power to break the cycle.

I'm not a dad, so these are but grains of salt. What I meant was not that you have the power to force your children out of social media - they're gonna do what they want. More a lead-by-example life where you present an example to them of a life (a social one) that is enhanced by not reacting to what Alice and Bob think. They may see it as out-of-touch. They may change their minds years later. Or not.

So you can break yourself out of the loop. And maybe your kids will be inspired by it. Or maybe it skips a generation.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Ofc it is plummeting. We are letting them install apps that have people behind them with the sole job of making them more addictive. We are handing them drugs, multiple variants if I may say so. I had to fight with my daughter for TikTok and whatnot, she is only allowed with YouTube due to school/tutorials/classes etc and I still find myself pretty often having to snap her out of shorts and other bs with an algorithm…

Yes and: My favorite podcaster has started calling it "dopa", short for dopamine hacking.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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>that's an education problem, it is your fault, not theirs or some apps Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How? We've taken a hard-line stance with our kids and have explained/educated them on every aspect of social media, attention, and addictive programs. And we're still losin…

> Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How? not by trying to put the fault on them or dodging the issue by finding excuses if you ban tiktok today, tomorrow will appear a new one, embrace them for what they are, social communication mediums, and educate your kids with the problems…

I didn't say anything about tiktok? I'm very confused by your comment.

It's full of strawman arguments around tiktok, which I am not talking about exclusively. And an ad hominem about my parenting.

There isn't really anything in this to counter what I said, which was that parents are vastly under-resourced and under-prepared compared to the companies putting these apps into the world.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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I grew up in Germany, so I was told stories of my grandfather, who lived through an entire world war, his home, home town, home country being entirely destroyed, being denied the return to his home since it was annexed and now behind the iron curtain, civilians he knew being murdered, pieces of butter being the best currency available, the nonexistence of any infrastructure such as roads, the very definition of polit…

> Yet, he and many others lived. After the initial shock of the first couple of years, post-war Germany seems to have been a pretty comfortable place for a young person willing to conform to pretty strict social standards and put in some (by the standards of that time) moderately hard work. It tends to be that way after great disruptions, like after the plague, after the 30-years war, etc. When power structures that…

> So? People will live in the craziest conditions.

this is so important. survival isn't sacred or noble. something usually drags itself onwards to the next sick nightmare.

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