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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

cbozeman wrote: post #605
jasonlotito wrote: post #569

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> don't realize how hated and despised their censorship policies really are. Majority of Americans (and most people I'd imagine) do not really care about their policies. They don't give two figs about it, and just go about their life just fine without being affected by it one bit. I'm sure you can find some people on both sides of the spectrum regarding their policies, but the vast majority don't. As someone who isn'…

> Majority of Americans (and most people I'd imagine) do not really care about their policies. They don't give two figs about it, and just go about their life just fine without being affected by it one bit. That's the problem with not giving a shit. When things finally do become bad enough that it affects you personally, it's too late. When it comes to standing up for what's right - and I define what's "right" as mos…

I can't even imagine how the Founders would react to things like the PATRIOT Act.

I can't even take this seriously. These are the same folks that kept people as property. Didn't make sure everyone could vote (male land owners only). They founded the country on land stolen from folks already living here. It isn't like the founders were really beacons of freedom, at least not if you use today's standards and honestly, they'd not even have a grasp of the events leading up to it. Perhaps they'd back it up considering how glaringly the world has changed since then.

I'm sure it is supposed to make folks think the country is straying from its foundations, but look around: People that aren't straight, white land owners are walking around with all these rights and freedom and stuff. That's already happened long ago. Maybe straying is a really good thing.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by boc »

blueflow wrote: post #336
NelsonMinar wrote: post #280

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One problem is the culture he's created at his other companies. "Black Tesla employees describe a culture of racism: ‘I was at my breaking point’ " https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesl... "California sues Tesla, alleging rampant racism at factory" https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080884899/california-sues-te... "Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in" htt…

Is he doing like, bad things, or this is the regular everyday "racism" name-calling again? I'm having a "The boy who cried wolf" moment right now.

Normally I'd agree, but his father made his fortune from emerald mining in apartheid South Africa. Elon went to an all-white prep school that explicitly didn't allow black students. There's a pretty high chance that Elon was raised in a household that may not have been amazing on the whole racism front.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by packetlost »

tedivm wrote: post #645
packetlost wrote: post #604

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As someone who lives in the midwest, very disconnected from the SV bubble, this is spot on. I know several conservative-minded people that absolutely care about the censorship and policies SV companies push and despise them for it.

I also live in the midwest, and literally no one I know (family or friends) outside of the tech industry cares at all about this. I'm sure that means my bubble is a bubble- but again, until I see real numbers either way this just looks like people pushing a narrative and using imaginary people to do it.

It's more on Facebook than Twitter, but it absolutely happens. Maybe you live in a liberal bubble lol

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by Zelizz »

ranman wrote: post #549
yupper32 wrote: post #523

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He compensates below market and his employees are expected to work harder than big tech companies. He can get away with it at SpaceX because, well, spaaacccceeee! I'm not sure how he gets away with it at Tesla.

because the stock grew like crazy and everyone got rich?

Anyone can buy the stock though, while working at a company that pays better and has better work/life balance. Is the stock grant particularly generous or is there a better-than-average employee discount on stock purchases?

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Post by smolder »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #304
TechBro8615 wrote: post #203

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Yes, it’s called Eternal September. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

That’s about culture in small tight communities, it’s not about monstrous billion people wide networks without any coherent identity of community.

I think while the effect was first noted in a relatively small community, the idea applies broadly to all sizes of open public forum, especially where things are organized chronologically. There's difficulty in developing and establishing cultural norms when there are constant new arrivals who can't have learned from past developments. That's what the term represents to me.

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #488
NelsonMinar wrote: post #280

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One problem is the culture he's created at his other companies. "Black Tesla employees describe a culture of racism: ‘I was at my breaking point’ " https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesl... "California sues Tesla, alleging rampant racism at factory" https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080884899/california-sues-te... "Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in" htt…

It's remarkable how all the replies to my message here completely ignore the comments in the articles made by actual Tesla employees who've been victims of racism.

People can’t escape their ideologies. This website is as tribal as anywhere else (actually, honestly worse than the median). Accepting that Tesla fosters and promotes a racist work environment is unthinkable for ideologues of a certain stripe.

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Post by ARandomerDude »

tedivm wrote: post #648
bpodgursky wrote: post #632

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Facebook, for better or for worse, is a really central piece of infrastructure for civic society all across the country nowdays — it's used to organize churches, meetup groups, neighborhood parties, restaurants, festivals, etc. People care because censorship does affect how they build their real lives.

> Facebook, for better or for worse, is a really central piece of infrastructure for civic society all across the country nowdays — it's used to organize churches, meetup groups, neighborhood parties, restaurants, festivals, etc. This may be true, but how many people in those church groups, meetup groups, etc are actually concerned about censorship? In my experience far more of them are worried about harassment- I kn…

> This may be true, but how many people in those church groups, meetup groups, etc are actually concerned about censorship?

Many, in my experience. To the point that I get sick of hearing about it, and I'm not an alt-right Q-anon type or anywhere near it.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by [deleted] »

cbozeman wrote: post #594
and0 wrote: post #576

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That's what makes all of this so ironic to me. Social media platforms and their users (especially Facebook) are not left-leaning. That a vast majority of Twitter users feel he will improve it means that the bias is fictional.

I don't know how you got that sentiment from that graphic, which doesn't have jack shit to do with political affiliation. I will put $100 down right now that if you did a statistically significant, unbiased, controlled, representative sample of verified Twitter users - as in people you can provably show are actual human beings - you'll find the majority are left-leaning. Oh wait, I don't have to, Pew Research Group a…

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Post by el_ravager »

cbozeman wrote: post #594
and0 wrote: post #576

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That's what makes all of this so ironic to me. Social media platforms and their users (especially Facebook) are not left-leaning. That a vast majority of Twitter users feel he will improve it means that the bias is fictional.

I don't know how you got that sentiment from that graphic, which doesn't have jack shit to do with political affiliation. I will put $100 down right now that if you did a statistically significant, unbiased, controlled, representative sample of verified Twitter users - as in people you can provably show are actual human beings - you'll find the majority are left-leaning. Oh wait, I don't have to, Pew Research Group a…

Precisely, liberals aren't leftists in the least—at least not according to leftists. That is, world-wide, liberals and fascists have constantly worked hand-in-hand to form coalitions to keep the left out of power since WW1.

The true dialogue in America is happening amongst center-left vs. far-right ideologies.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

sixQuarks wrote: post #297
mhh__ wrote: post #202

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Or for Elon Musk, depends who you ask. HN is't a person's initials.

Puh-lease. Bias means tendency to lean a certain way, you can’t have bias in 2 opposite directions. The pro Elon crowd here is a minority. Something I’ll never understand, being that this is an entrepreneurial forum and Elon is the worlds best entrepreneur. Jealousy perhaps?

You could claim jealousy, but that’s reductive. Elon Musk annoys a lot of people, for a plethora of reasons. It’s pretty easy to find wide ranging genuine criticism of him from numerous perspectives, if you want to actually understand. Or you could hand wave it all away and claim jealousy I guess, just know it’s a lazy explanation.
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