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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Hacker News used to be about things that mattered to programmers and startups, etc. Now we are turning into yet another Reddit scream box. This type of article does not belong here. The comments keep turning into pointless vitriol.

Yeah I'm done with this website. The state of these comments is an absolute embarrassment, this is purely just a misinformation flamewar

I wouldn’t even care. The internet always is a shot show when it comes to politics.

It’s the absolute arrogance of the community, pretending that they’re above this at just about any other time.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It is being forced. If you can experience significant losses or risks unless you comply, that’s being forced. You’re being disingenuous. It’s easy to see where this breaks down - per your logic a mobster running a protection racket isn’t forcing anyone to pay extortion money either.

It's not forced. There any many jobs that don't require a vaccine. It's a choice. A protection racket is enforced through the use of physical violence. Terrible analogy.

I'm your boss, either have sex with me or be fired.

You aren't forced, there are a lot of other jobs that don't require you to have sex with the boss.

You ok with this? Don't have an abortion or you will be fired. Don't have a kid or you will be fired. It is always a choice right?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

>And it's interesting how exactly the same group of people lamenting the paying of bail for BLM protesters are falling in line with rights for this trucker group to harass and occupy Canadian cities.

That's true, and its also interesting how exactly the same people who support the paying of bail for BLM looters and rioters (lawful protesters aren't arrested and don't need bail) are cheering the decision of GoFundMe to block the funds to the Canadian protesters. The issue as I see it is the failure of GoFundMe to have a consistent standard that is neutrally applied without regard to the underlying politics of those raising funds. If they say that its prohibited to raise funds for those involved in breaking the law, then that standard should be applied to both BLM and the truckers.

Another important issue in this case was the initial decision of GoFundMe to keep all donated funds absent a proactive request for a refund by those who had donated. Its bad enough if GoFundMe decided to act in a nakedly partisan manner when deciding who is allowed to raise funds on their platform, but its entirely another matter for them to make people jump through hoops to get their money back. I'm glad to see GoFundMe reversed this decision and decided to offer automatic refunds, but it shouldn't have taken a huge outcry for them to reach this decision.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I thought the real issue was that GoFundMe didn't initially return the money to the donors, instead they gave the money away to a charity, or so they claim.

They never did that.

They didn't do that, but they released a statement that they were going to do that, until there was a massive outcry and several state attorney generals got involved and promised to open investigations.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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GoFundMe literally had no problem with CHAZ/CHOP and BLM protest funding in the middle of a pandemic.

So we agree, GFM should have nothing to do with any occupation, right? You agree with this, correct? You think that I'm some sort of partisan in this -- perhaps a projection -- and you caught me in hypocrisy. But you didn't. Financing protests is an incredibly dangerous game. I was against BLM justified violence and looting, as well as the various "free" zones. I was against the railway blockades in Canada (due to co…

>So we agree, GFM should have nothing to do with any occupation, right? You agree with this, correct?

They should have a consistent standard one way or the other.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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GoFundMe should be political neutral, but it openly turns left. I recommend a long post explaining this phenomenon: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/why-is-everything-libe...

> GoFundMe should be political neutral Why? Are you advocating for ISIS to be able to do a gofundme?

If ISIS is just a political ideology then you have a point. But it's a terrorist organization. I am not sure what's going on in your head. Are you going to argue about terrorism is just a subjective label?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I think the real struggle is understanding the degree to which they are peaceful or not. Obviously nothing is black or white. As an example, I was once shoved by a person. People are not peaceful

Isn't it exactly that then? You were shoved into a snowbank once and put this forward as an example of people not being peaceful. Unsuspecting and uninvolved people are being shoved by protesters. Therefore, this is not a peaceful protest.

> Unsuspecting and uninvolved people are being shoved by protesters.

In fact, an unsuspecting and uninvolved person was shoved by a protester.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It's obviously a peaceful protest*. The word "occupation" here is already spin from the side that wants to shut it down and is trying to build a case for doing so. Peaceful protest involves physically assembling and making noise. That is no doubt unpleasant both for those who disagree with the protestors and those who live in the neighborhood, but the right to do this in public is fundamental and vital in democratic…

A friend was shoved into a snowbank by a protester because she wore a mask. I was verbally assaulted for the same while skating on the canal. They're not peaceful.

But why were you wearing a mask outside?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we ban that sort of account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I don't see anything unsubstantive and/or flamebait in that comment, that future will come at some point. And the desire to secure/improve supply chain through automation is something everyone wants! So this is the problem with censorship it's just that you don't like my comment not that there's problems with it.
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