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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dang »

Zigurd wrote: post #127
redleader55 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post supports with facts - ie. your own experience - the idea that moderate members of a group don't get oppressed, which is missing the point, in my opinion. I think the point of the parent of your post and the article is that regardless of what you believe, you should have the right to your opinion and should not be persecuted for it.

Your "persecution" is a cheap shadow of actual persecution, which was meted out to whole sexes and races under the flag of inherent superiority. That's not what the modern right is feeling. They are feeling the consequences of expressing overt racism and sexism. It is their right to do so. Nobody has taken away that right. It is everyone's right to reject racism and sexism and the people espousing it.

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dang »

someguydave wrote: post #284
Zigurd wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "persecution" is a cheap shadow of actual persecution, which was meted out to whole sexes and races under the flag of inherent superiority. That's not what the modern right is feeling. They are feeling the consequences of expressing overt racism and sexism. It is their right to do so. Nobody has taken away that right. It is everyone's right to reject racism and sexism and the people espousing it.

I agree, Republicans are suffering for expressing anti-racism and anti-sexism.

Please do not take HN threads further into political, ideological, and partisan flamewar. It's just what we don't want here.

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dang »

finite_jest wrote: post #194
Zigurd wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "persecution" is a cheap shadow of actual persecution, which was meted out to whole sexes and races under the flag of inherent superiority. That's not what the modern right is feeling. They are feeling the consequences of expressing overt racism and sexism. It is their right to do so. Nobody has taken away that right. It is everyone's right to reject racism and sexism and the people espousing it.

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by bostonsre »

dfxm12 wrote: post #261
bostonsre wrote: post #148

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I personally haven't met anyone from China who has liked their government. I would assume there is some selection bias there and those that love their country are more likely to stay home, but would be really interested to talk to a true believer. I wouldn't be surprised if pressure was applied to those individuals to harass the one that spoke out against the party. The regime is brutal and most will toe the line whe…

Have you met them at a $30k+/yr university? I think that's an important piece of context here. The current Chinese system affords these students the ability to go to prestigious universities abroad. Things are going good for these students, so why wouldn't they like the government that grants them such privilege? Folks who've immigrated for other reasons might have a different experience...

I don't think I met any in college who spoke about their thoughts about the CCP. But yea, it definitely seems plausible and very likely that there are a proportion that are grateful to the CCP for the opportunities they are given. I would be extremely curious about the ratio that is thankful to the party versus thankful that they've escaped.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dang »

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dehrmann »

Interesting side note: before becoming president of Purdue, Daniels was governor of Indiana. His successor in that job was Mike Pence. Daniels was also a rising star in the GOP, so he's a competent politician who got closer than most to actually dealing with international relations.

He's also run Purdue differently than most administrators. He famously froze tuition, and he's using the name for an online school Purdue bought.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throw10920 »

dirtyid wrote: post #502
oxfeed65261 wrote: post #381

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Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

At the end of the day, it's a stretch to assume the students did anything other than wield their rights to free speech on an American (or other western) campus. Anti CCP activities, on campus or elsewhere in west makes it way through PRC media bubbles with of millions of eyeballs willing to do the dirty work, frequently within PRC soil. All it takes is for a post to trend. Freedom of speech in west =/= freedom from c…

> it's a stretch to assume the students did anything other

No, because at least one (edit: two!) incidents like this has already repeatedly happened elsewhere. Chinese students sabotaged a panel at Brandeis University about Uyghurs ("Viewers interrupted a Harvard-educated lawyer as she tried to describe her brother’s plight in a concentration camp, scrawling “bullshit” and “fake news” over his face on the screen and blaring China’s national anthem." - which is pretty clearly harassment), and an Emerson College student was subjected to doxxing and death threats[2]. Given these incidents, and that the university president released a letter about this (so it's not just an unverified social media post), the reasonable assumption is that the students did engage in harassment.

Moreover, yes, students in a foreign country reporting an incident legal in that country to their repressive home government is definitely "collusion".

> Freedom of speech in west =/= freedom from consequences

Um, no, that's incorrect. "Freedom of speech" means that you have the ability to express the opinions that you want to without consequences, by definition (the two components of freedom of speech are the ability to express opinions and the protection from "consequences" (which is a misleading way to say "active retribution") of that expression).

In the United States incarnation, the First Amendment is a specific instance of a law protecting freedom of speech that prevents the federal government from punishing you from saying what you want, modulo a few edge cases (most of which aren't restrictions on freedom of speech/expression so much as restrictions on particular utterances (e.g. yelling "fire" in a crowded theater) or knowledge (disseminating classified information)).

But, beyond the government (which is the only entity that the First Amendment applies to), other organizations or individuals can take pro-free-speech or anti-free-speech positions, which (again) means freedom from consequences due to that speech.

The CCP here is clearly taking an anti-free-speech position by threatening the student through his parents due to an opinion that he has expressed about Tianamen Square.

> Rich Chinese kids with social media are playing the same cancel culture game

Also completely false. "Cancel culture" means that you're attacked by the culture specifically, which includes just about everything except the government.

[1] https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29593320

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throw10920 »

vaxman wrote: post #634
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

What is the end game in allowing PROC nationals into American universities? Even without a kinetic confrontation, current trends indicate PROC will dominate the world economy, ocean navigation, the African and part of South American continents, near Earth orbit and the Moon because of technology they've already stolen, downloaded, misappropriated and bought from the West --and they're known to be creating bioweapons…

"creating bioweapons that kill only non-Chinese people"? I've never heard of this before...

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by worried-about »

West Lafayette resident here, fuck Purdue. As a Purdue employee, I was exposed to/directly victimized by so much institutional sexual assault at Purdue that it still makes me upset. They get away with murder because our local news agency is beyond a joke (https://www.wlfi.com/), nobody in town even knows that this is happening!!! Anyone remember when Daniels referred to black student as "animals" and got it swept under the rug? I fucking hate it here, and will be permanently transplanting to distance myself from this toxic community.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by PixyMisa »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #292
jmull wrote: post #235

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The letter is from the president of Purdue, while the web site is a news site that is independent of the university. Also, it’s not really censorship — they have to deal with the GDPR headache, one way or the other, just like everyone else. Simply blocking the EU is a blunt but simple and effective way of doing so, and makes decent sense for a site where the interest is 99% local.

> they have to deal with the GDPR headache What headache? A sensible solution: when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies. Purdue solution: when EU visitor is detected, block them.

Dealing with the GDPR costs money. Blocking the entire EU is free.

This started happening even before the GDPR was finalised.

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