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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Consider Librem 14 laptop instead, it has hardware kill switches. By the way, I wish this laptop had them too.

Good news! We do have hardware kill switches for both the camera and microphone: https://frame.work/blog/1080p-webcam

Amazing, thank you!

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Any plans to "open up" (for a price) the specification for outside companies, so they can build components labeled "framework compatible" or some such?

Absolutely. We’ve already released open source reference designs publicly for the Expansion Card system, and we’re happy to enable third parties on other modules too.

What about the cover with the keyboard and trackpad?I know you've said it's expensive to make tooling for, but perhaps a 3rd party could offer an alternate version with a trackpoint or something?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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It must be a lot of work to design a laptop. The PCBs look very complicated and the components are tiny.

What I don't really like is the price. I think a good laptop should cost somewhere around $400. It is not necessary to install the most expensive CPUs because they usually have lower performance to cost ratio than cheaper models. Webcam, fingerprint reader and Wifi 6 are not necessary.

The laptop doesn't have space for a HDD which means that user has to buy an expensive SSD storage. 13 inch screen is too small to work with code or texts. Also, modern websites have gigantic font size so only several lines of text would fit on such a small screen.

64 Gb RAM limit is higher than most of laptops which is good. But why not 128 or 256 Gb? It it difficult to add several more address lines?

They have written that they would love to hear a feedback on keyboards. Well, here you go.

Sadly the keyboard is a Latin-oriented 26-letter model. Russian language has 33 letters so I would prefer a 33-letter keyboard with two dedicated keys for switching layouts. This means that 9 new keys should be added. Currently nobody makes such keyboards, even Apple. Manufacturers seem to have no interest in adapting keyboards to needs of Russian users and instead use inconvenient 26-letter western keyboards. Adding more keys for me seems more important than unnecessary back light. Also, I think it would be better to make up/down keys larger and make Home/End/PageUp/PageDown as separate keys. These keys are useful for browsing or editing texts. On the other hand, CapsLock is useless and can be removed.

The touchpad doesn't have buttons. How does one do a right or middle button click?

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> In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM [.....] You simply can’t have this with socketed RAM. You make it sound like a prerequisite. I'm pretty sure the reason LPDDR is Low Power is not due to (currently) being unavailable in socketed modules - that would seem to be a side-effect of the original target market (smart phones). They are just some BGA packages, I see no reason they couldn't b…

LPDDR is low power because it is a more sophisticated device with more complex protocol compared to regular DDR, because it has a higher pinout allowing it to have a more efficient electrical connection and because the computer manufacturer can optimize the connection with specific chips in mind instead of having to support a wide range of devices. I think the number of pins is a practical limitation. Current DDR DIM…

We have cpus with lots of pins, nobody is stopping ram from switching to a cpu socket layout..

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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> In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM [.....] You simply can’t have this with socketed RAM. You make it sound like a prerequisite. I'm pretty sure the reason LPDDR is Low Power is not due to (currently) being unavailable in socketed modules - that would seem to be a side-effect of the original target market (smart phones). They are just some BGA packages, I see no reason they couldn't b…

I've never done anything beyond amateur electronics, so sorry if I'm way off base here, but it at least seems intuitively plausible to me that soldering the components to the board allows them to work reliably at lower power. With a pin and socket connection, you've got to try and be at least reasonably resistant to corrosion or other sources of less-than-perfect connection. That said, I don't know that RAM chips are…

This sounds conspicuously like an Intel NUC, I think?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

2 questions: 1. Have you sent review copies to any independent review channels like LTT, Gamers Nexus, etc etc? I've seen the Tested video but that was in a very controlled environment and I'm mainly waiting on independent reviews before buying one. 2. More of a business question that I'll understand if you don't want to answer, without sharing any actual numbers, has the preorder volume been more or less than you ex…

PC World posted a teardown video last night. It makes working on any other laptop look like a chore.

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The free market is allowing a company like this one to exist because they're banking on there being enough people that care about this sort of thing to buy into their device rather than buying from a well established brand. That assumption will be put to the test very soon and advocates for this sort of device have a great opportunity to do so. The bitter reality though is that there might be a market large enough to…

> The free market is allowing a company like this one to exist The "free market" is controlled by a very small set of conglomerates. They get caught red handed deploying anticompetitive strategies every other week.

Yet this product is still coming to market despite that.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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It must be a lot of work to design a laptop. The PCBs look very complicated and the components are tiny. What I don't really like is the price. I think a good laptop should cost somewhere around $400. It is not necessary to install the most expensive CPUs because they usually have lower performance to cost ratio than cheaper models. Webcam, fingerprint reader and Wifi 6 are not necessary. The laptop doesn't have spac…

As someone who lives in Russia, by the end of your second paragraph I was thinking to myself "This guy must be Russian". and I was right. I swear, Russians bitch about everything. no matter how good something is, some Russian will find something to complain about.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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It must be a lot of work to design a laptop. The PCBs look very complicated and the components are tiny. What I don't really like is the price. I think a good laptop should cost somewhere around $400. It is not necessary to install the most expensive CPUs because they usually have lower performance to cost ratio than cheaper models. Webcam, fingerprint reader and Wifi 6 are not necessary. The laptop doesn't have spac…

Regarding screen, they write:

> A high resolution 3:2 aspect ratio display lets you fit more code and creativity on-screen at once.

I doubt one can edit code on a 13 inch screen. Even 15 inch screen is too small for IDEs.

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