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Re: Fastly Outage

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Reddit's attempts at dark patterns are embarrassing from all perspectives. If you use dark patterns it's a laughably abysmal implementation. If you abhor dark patterns, it's a frustration.

It's just enough to annoy you but not enough to make everyone leave the platform

I think it's because there haven't been any interesting alternatives. I know if I ever see one I'll probably switch in a femtosecond.

Re: Fastly Outage

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I wanted to suggest site:old.reddit.com since I use that version with automatic redirect, but this: https://old.reddit.com/robots.txt is very different from this: https://reddit.com/robots.txt I guess there is a market for search engine (maybe accessed through tor) which does not care about robots.txt, DMCAs, right to be forgotten etc. Bootstrapping it should not be that hard since it can also provide better results…

Wonder what the story is behind these two... User-Agent: bender Disallow: /my_shiny_metal_ass User-Agent: Gort Disallow: /earth

That's the good old Easter eggs, perhaps a memory from when Reddit was a nice place. They stop appearing and are replaced by dark patterns once sites jump the shark.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Wonder what the story is behind these two... User-Agent: bender Disallow: /my_shiny_metal_ass User-Agent: Gort Disallow: /earth

It might be related to the time few years ago when Google added exclusions for user agent t1300 in regard to its founders. Gort seems to be a robot from old scifi and bender might be something similar.

Bender is from Futurama, Gort is old classic scifi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gort_(The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_...

Re: Fastly Outage

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This seems to be impacting a number of huge sites, including the UK government website[0]. [0] https://www.gov.uk/ https://m.media-amazon.com/ https://pages.github.com/ https://www.paypal.com/ https://stackoverflow.com/ https://nytimes.com/ Edit: Fastly's incident report status page: https://status.fastly.com/incidents/vpk0ssybt3bj

Good thing we use Cloudfront and Cloudflare where I work.

> Statuspage Automation updated third-party component Spreedly Core from Operational to Major Outage.

> Statuspage Automation updated third-party component Filestack API from Operational to Degraded Performance.

Oh, right. :-D

Don't get me wrong, I love the proliferation of APIs and easily-integrated services over the past 20 years. We're all one interdependent family, for better and for worse.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Yeah so it's been mentioned in the comments already, but to everyone in Fastly right now: I feel for you. Something like this must be insanely stressful, and not just during the outage. There will be (should be) a massive post-mortem. People will be losing sleep over this for days, weeks, months. :( Edit: There seems to be a major empathy outage in this thread. Disgusted but not surprised, unfortunately.

Call me old fashioned but the latest trend of showing "empathy" for a serious incident, then proceeding to dance around the aftermath of it, whilst people give themselves a pat on back in a retro/post-mortem, isn't the way to do it. People need to be blamed, and responsibility for actions taken (without covering asses)

> People need to be blamed, and responsibility for actions taken (without covering asses)

What i think this syntactically invalid sentence is trying to say is:

People need to be blamed, and held responsible for actions taken.

Why do people need to be blamed? Why do we need to make someone the scapegoat? What does being held responsible look like?

Let say we find some sacrificial engineer to pin this on:

* does the downtime magically disappear?

* does the engineer suffering (say losing his job or whatever) make your downtime meaningful? You'll recoup your revenue somehow from it?

* does the fact that there's a scapegoat mean that everyone else at fastly is perfect and it's ok to keep using them?

Re: Fastly Outage

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This outage made me realize that github is served over a single IP address (A record) for my point of origin (India). Stackoverflow has 4 A record listing, but all of these belong to fastly. The internet is designed for redundancy. Wonder why these companies don't have a fail over network. Makes me wonder if cost is factor considering their already massive infra. But a single point of failure ... .

> The internet is designed for redundancy. Wonder why these companies don't have a fail over network. Makes me wonder if cost is factor considering their already massive infra. But a single point of failure ..

Well, Internet was indeed designed for redundancy, and it worked as intended. A no point in time it failed to make you reach the server it was supposed to make you talk to.

What are failing are all the application protocols that are running on top of the network.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Yeah so it's been mentioned in the comments already, but to everyone in Fastly right now: I feel for you. Something like this must be insanely stressful, and not just during the outage. There will be (should be) a massive post-mortem. People will be losing sleep over this for days, weeks, months. :( Edit: There seems to be a major empathy outage in this thread. Disgusted but not surprised, unfortunately.

Imagine losing sleep over a corporate problem where you're just the next Joe Engineer, to be fired the second you're not needed. Have some perspective people.

I'm confused, why isn't being fired something to lose sleep over in your eyes?

I get that you're implying that the job itself is not worth that much concern, but it seems you're ignoring that jobs bring in income, pay your mortgage, etc.

If i lost my job tomorrow i'd be terrified.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Where is Akamai in this comparison?

Fair point. Maybe Fastly is more akin to Akamai given it seems to be more enterprise-y. By market cap, Cloudflare is 26 billion, Akamai is 18, and Fastly is 6. Fastly's free offering gives you "$50 worth of traffic" whereas Cloudflare has a perpetually free option. And for Akamai you have to apply for a free trial.

This is market cap, but if you look at amount of traffic you have Akamai estimated at 15-30%, CF at 10%.

So if it would go down, it would cripple vast amount of internet.

Re: Fastly Outage

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Well, with SO, at least you can search on Google and view the version cached by Google just fine. With Reddit however, these days almost all comments are locked behind “view entire discussion” or “continue this thread”. In fact, just now I searched for something for which the most relevant discussion was on Reddit; Reddit was down so I opened the cached version, and was literally greeted by five “continue this thread…

Yeah it's crazy how bad user-hostile reddit.com has become. Fortunately old.reddit.com is still available, but for how long? If only Javascript did not exist, it would be impossible for UX people to come up with something that bad.

Yeah I’m going to stop using the platform when they get rid of this . Not interested
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