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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by 29083011397778 »

jacurtis wrote: post #449
kgermino wrote: post #328

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Pickups are convenient any many (probably most) owners have them for good reasons, but living in a Midwestern city I run into so many "bad" pickup drivers it's hard not to get frustrated with them generally. A lot of people around here have big, tall pickups with tiny beds that they drive very aggressively. They rarely use them for anything I couldn't put in my Fit (I've known several people who would never haul dirt…

> Many modern pickups have a high front grill that is dangerous for pedestrians and designed to be intimidating I get what you are trying to say, but had to mention that all front grills of vehicles are dangerous to pedestrians. It's just a bit of a strawman argument to say "Well when I hit people with my car it will be worse if I own a truck, so I'm going to own a Prius so that the pedestrians roll right off".

I went for a walk out in my suburb one night. If you can show me a single Honda Civic or Mazda sedan where the hood starts at 5' off the ground, I will bow down and say you have a point. Note that I mean the grill ended, and hood started, at the top of my shoulders. I'm six feet tall; how the hell has this happened, and why is it considered acceptable?

Until then, I (and presumably many others) will view trucks as objectively more dangerous, and contributing to a less walkable city. I recognize going under a vehicle is a bad time regardless of how tall it is, but my girlfriend can't hide right in front of a Toyota RAV-4 or Audi Q5.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by NullPrefix »

criley2 wrote: post #475
whymauri wrote: post #256

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>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

It works OK that way, they accept new members of their club when you conform. However, I've had my Prius damaged by rural folk (in lots mostly full of pickups) on multiple occasions. (Joys of having family who decide because of politics that they're rural farmers now). I'm sure rural pickup drivers are lovely folk when you conform to their cultural, racial, and/or lifestyle choices -- that's the point! But I've never…

Ever thought about doing a diesel engine swap?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by tzs »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #249
ffggvv wrote: post #185

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i think they are different markets. cyber truck is for affluent city people who probably never had or wanted a truck before but like the design. f150 is more for normal people who actually just want a normal truck that’s electric

>f150 is more for normal people who actually just want a normal truck that’s electric Why? Does the look of the truck make it more practical? The Cybertruck does not have any paint, and can sustain far more scratch/shock that the F150.

One issue I see with the Cybertruck is the angled sides of the bed. There are a lot of things designed to go on the back of a normal pickup truck, from simple shells to campers like this [1].

Cybertruck seems like it would require special versions of these kind of things. One of the reasons people buy pickups is versatility, and you lose some of that with Cybertruck because of its different shape.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_camper

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by tills13 »

Whatarethese wrote: post #454
itsoktocry wrote: post #394

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> transparent info and pricing Sure, "transparent" pricing that can change on a whim, even after you've purchased the product. "Take-it-or-leave-it" delivery if you find flaws with your car. > Step three is me checking on the cyber truck status. Let me know when you take delivery of a Cybertruck for <40k, similar pricing to the Model 3, like the "transparent info" claims.

When I purchased my Model 3 I ordered it online and Tesla said my price would be $42,500 in March 2019. Signed my loans docs through docusign. I picked it up 12 days later in Tempe. Delivery took 15 minutes. My car had 3 flaws. Paint chip on trunk, hood panel gap, and scratch on aero hubcap. Made appointment and brought it back a week later. Got a loaner Model S for two days and then got my car back in perfect condit…

Yeah I feel like a lot of the FUD about the buying and delivery process come from people who have never gone through the process themselves.

Yes: it is absolutely unacceptable that Tesla's quality standards are lacking to the point where you are encouraged to give your car a look over before picking it up. Genuinely, the car should have already been looked over on the lot -- but I guess that's the price to pay for the make-to-order process Tesla has embraced.

But you are absolutely _not_ in a position where you "take it or leave it." You look your car over, note what needs to be fixed post-delivery, and make a (free) appointment to have those issues corrected. The best part? Depending on the severity of the issues, Tesla will send some to your home instead of you having to bring the car to them.

My story is the same as yours: I test drove the car on the 15th, I put my deposit down, and on the 30th I drove off the lot in my new car. There was no negotiation, no up-selling, just me paying for my car and getting what I expected.

Best purchase I've ever made.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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jcelerier wrote: post #511
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

... why not just rent one for the day ?

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ggreer »

rootusrootus wrote: post #573
ggreer wrote: post #471

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What do you do for road trips? The supercharger network is essential for that.

I use DC fast chargers for road trips, yes. I don't have my Tesla anymore, just the wife's Bolt, but conceptually it's the same.

I'm surprised you find it tolerable. My Model 3 can get from Portland to Spokane (350 miles) with one charging stop in Kennewick, taking about 6 hours total.

If I use ABRP to simulate the same trip in a 2020 Bolt, it requires 3 stops and over 90 minutes of charging, bringing the trip time to 7 hours and 23 minutes.[1] It's not clear if the trip is actually possible, as the the first stop is at a used car dealership in The Dalles which claims to only allow Nissans to charge there.[2] The latest checkin says it's inoperable.

With the supercharger network, you know in advance if the station is having any issues (including simply being full). Other charging companies are getting better, but the current patchwork is too uncertain for me to deal with. If I had a Bolt, I'd probably rent a car for long distance trips. (Please don't take this as insulting the Bolt. It's far less expensive than a Model 3 Performance. With the money saved, you could probably fly for every long distance trip for the lifetime of the car.)

1. https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=4912118b-c0bd-486...

2. https://www.plugshare.com/location/1538

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by barefootcoder »

ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

Put it on your own terms. Every time I've purchased a car for the last 15ish years, I decided on the model, specs, and price I want to pay. I then searched inventory at every dealer within 2 hours of driving and emailed their internet sales manager an offer. I take the lowest two, try to negotiate a few more times via email, sending the lowest quote to the next lowest, etc... once I'm happy with the price, I ask for an out the door itemized price, agree on it, and agree on a meeting time. I show up, sign some papers, drive away.

How is Tesla's process much easier than that?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by AshleyGrant »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #293
Someone1234 wrote: post #277

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Most of the gas F-150 sales are crew cab models, so it makes sense not to target that relatively small niche. The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only , now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others. If you look at the creature comforts of older bench seat trucks (bare-bones) and the trucks sold today, a truck today will have every…

The supercab F150 has serviceable back seats. There is no need to gimp the bed with an oversized crew cab.

Serviceable, sure. But the crew cab has a cavernous rear seat area. I used to drive a BMW 5 series and now drive an F-450 w/Crew Cab (my wife and live full-time in a Fifth Wheel RV, otherwise I'd never own such a large vehicle). I was astounded when I saw just how much more rear leg room the truck has compared to the 5 series.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by notJim »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #577
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree- this is really going to be a big deal, especially with how large the F-150 EV battery is (150kWh). For comparison, the Chevrolet Bolt hatchback has a 66KWh battery with a similar range as the F-150, which makes sense, because the Bolt is much lighter and aerodynamic. The vast majority of public charging stations in the US ("Level 2") max…

This info seems a little out of date at this point. This is a map of 120 kW+ Electrify America charging stations from PlugShare: https://i.imgur.com/1dcM6UX.png. I agree we need more, but I don't know if it feels right to say there are "very few", when they line most of the major interstates.

> These typically charge at 50kW until the battery is at 80% capacity, then slow down to 10kW or so.

I'm not sure where you're getting this number, but according to this data [1] about the Mach-E, it charges at 150 kW until about 10%, then 100 kW until 35%, then 70 kW until 80%. This is much faster than what you are saying. They have a chart showing that depending on your starting SoC, you can get an average of up to 90 kW. If you start at a reasonable 10-15% state of charge, your average charge rate up to 80% will be 80 kW, not 50kW.

> So, let's say your F-150 is down to 20% capacity, and you need to charge up to 80%. 60% of that 150kWh is battery is 90kWh- that will take nearly two hours ($36) on that fast charger.

The F-150 has a larger battery than the Mach-E, but assuming the rates stay the same, it would take a bit over an hour to charge this much, not two hours.

The pricing varies on Electrify America, but looking at a few stations here [2], as long as you have a membership, it looks like this would cost somewhere from $10-30. Some stations charge by the minute, and others by the kWh.

[1]: https://insideevs.com/news/492727/ford-mustang-mache-fast-ch...

[2]: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/

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