LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by bonestamp2 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:28 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #270

bonestamp2 wrote: post #230

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It can sway people if the truth gets out before the falsehoods take root. I saw the videos from China in early January of people falling over in the streets and emergency rooms. I showed that stuff to my conservative news watching family members before the news here was covering the virus. I believe that saved the ones who would have otherwise believed what conservative media was saying early -- they knew it was real…

The problem is the conspiracy machine often works faster than the truth. You got there early, many others with the wool over there eyes aren't so lucky, especially when for many their only worldview comes from people with their same biases.

Yes, absolutely. We can have an impact by trying to share to the truth first.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by brickabrack » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:29 PM UTC

The internet is dying a slow death. Instead of being an open exchange of ideas and content, it's become just another vehicle for corporations to make a buck off of everyone. It's now locked down, dumbed down and buttoned down and is controlled and surveilled to make sure no one steps out of line or has their feelings hurt. It treats everyone like fools and children who can't handle reality, a new idea or an opposing thought. Don't talk about this. Don't look at that. Don't think independently. Control. Group think. Manufactured consent. The goal is to have you fall in line with the dominant paradigm that is ultimately driven by economics that make a small percentage of the world's population very rich and solidified in their position. Like all great things that had so much potential but ultimately got harnessed and driven to the lowest common denominator for control and power, it was fun while it lasted.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by brickabrack » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:47 PM UTC

ggggtez wrote: post #316

c-c-c-c-c wrote: post #233

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What are you on about. Since when can you get shell-shock from watching videos online. Its not fetishization but rather an unabridged edition of the footage you see on the news.

Sure you can. You can build up a tolerance, but most people are not mentally prepared to confront graphic violence . It takes months of hard training for soldiers to be prepared for confronting death. How is a school teacher going to feel after watching a video of a school shooting? Probably not very safe all of a sudden, and that could have long lasting scars even if it wasn't something they personally experienced.…

"most people are not mentally prepared to confront graphic violence" That's ludicrous. The apex predator on the planet that has violently gained control of the planet and killed trillions of other species including its own kind is not only mentally prepared to confront graphic violence, it is hardwired to conduct graphic violence on both a personal and global scale, things that were published on Liveleak. But don't be hard on yourself, most people make believe and live in a fairy tale world that props up the falsehood of who they really are. Shutting down sites like Liveleak is just another way to perpetuate the fairy tale and hide the ugly truth.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by MomoXenosaga » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

jazzabeanie wrote: post #479

natmaka wrote: post #454

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In China popular video channels available on popular apps (Wechat...) quite frequently stream accidents (nearly always catched by surveillance video surveillance), mainly traffic accident, sometimes work-related and even domestic violence. The "didactic" tone is quite patent: don't jaywalk, drive and use machinery with care, use adequate protective gear...

Years ago a lived with someone one who loved to watch videos of people getting hit by cars. I watched a bunch of these by proxy. The thing that still sticks in my mind is that almost none of them were jaywalking. It was almost always a car running a red light. The people that got hit put too much faith in the lights.

No they put faith in their fellow humans. Which we all do when we're participating in traffic.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by swiley » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:52 PM UTC

Clubber wrote: post #180

causality0 wrote: post #77

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LiveLeak definitely had the ability to change you. There was a video from a dashcam where a couple is driving down a road, and a brick or rock falls off a truck driving the opposite way. It bounces on the road before slamming through the windshield and instantly killing the wife sitting in the passenger seat. Whenever I feel like a member of my family has gotten on my last nerve, pushed me to my limit, I think of the…

Be careful with that stuff. There are only so many scars you can accumulate before it really affects you. Life will give you scars all by itself eventually, no need to seek them out.

Yeah I paused right before the brick hit the window and realized what I was about to see, I'm kind of glad I stopped.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by busymom0 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:06 PM UTC

pnt12 wrote: post #460

concordDance wrote: post #389

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> Now if someone asks me "Hey where can I go see that thing that was taken off of Youtube" I don't have a ready answer that isn't an alt-right cesspool. Does this mean that only the alt-right have access to uncensored information?

If you read some alt right content (like 4chan /pol/), you might agree that some opinions deserve to be censored. Hate and stupidity breed more hate and stupidity. If we approach this situation from a generic perspective we can defend free speech and argue against censorship; but if we talk about speech such as antisemitism, homophobia or black people hate, we cannot defend it anymore.

Somehow we achieved major accomplishments like civil rights act and gay marriage and defeating the bad guys when free speech was at its peak few decades ago. So I would disagree with your comment. Only way to defeat extremism is by absolute freedom speech. Else you are throwing it under the rug.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by busymom0 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

derangedHorse wrote: post #537

throwaway8581 wrote: post #519

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Human biodiversity, intelligence variation, black-on-white and black-on-Asian crime statistics, connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, George Floyd saying “I can’t breathe” before the officers ever touched him and having a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, rate of unarmed blacks killed by police being lower than the black proportion of violent crime. All of these 100% true facts (no value judgments in…

I think your value judgements show through the things you listed and your assertion of all those things being 100% true. The lethal dose comment has already had solid rebuttal arguments disproving the statement. That mixed in with your comment about him saying “I can’t breathe” also seems to imply more ambiguity of fault at his death and ignored the fact Floyd also stated he was claustrophobic right before that. I’m…

The claustrophobic was a fake excuse considering he was sitting in a car right before, officers offered to roll down the windows to make him comfortable, he had used the same swallowing drugs and resisting arrest 1 year prior, and a man who is capable of breaking into a pregnant woman’s house with his 5 friends and beating her up with his gun in front of her son and then pushing the gun into her pregnant belly simply can’t believed to be claustrophobic. Nor can a man who worked security as their job be claustrophobic.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by kebman » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

pasabagi wrote: post #576

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The "other side of the world" wars are mostly fought by the young, because they haven't developed enough skepticism to ask whether what they're being asked to do benefits the country as a whole, or only certain actors and industries. The old and rich start wars, the young and poor fight them.

The old, rich, and stupid. One of the things that has been blowing my mind recently is the awareness of how many wars happen as a result of accident, miscommunication, and institutional inertia. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour started off as a hypothetical 'how could we win a potential war with the US', then over time, gained so much momentum that even though its principal architect thought it was a very bad ide…

Wasn't there a whole ordeal with competing entities, even within national organizations and army branches, who were all zealously entrenched in their own little jurisdictions?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by varispeed » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:28 PM UTC

brickabrack wrote: post #652

The internet is dying a slow death. Instead of being an open exchange of ideas and content, it's become just another vehicle for corporations to make a buck off of everyone. It's now locked down, dumbed down and buttoned down and is controlled and surveilled to make sure no one steps out of line or has their feelings hurt. It treats everyone like fools and children who can't handle reality, a new idea or an opposing…

Free flow of thought is dangerous to ruling parties (and fake opposition), because people get to know what's going on more easily. The current push is to leave only a few global players that will share personal data with intelligence services. For example, the new EU regulation essentially stops anyone worldwide from running any website with user generated content, unless you have money to set up a legal entity in the EU that will respond to censorship requests within 1hr SLA round the clock.

Check the article: https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content...

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by varispeed » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:31 PM UTC

Mandatum wrote: post #13

The fact they were HQ'd in London always confused me. Yes the EU gives you some protections, but taking a pseudonymous TPB-style approach is probably easier for everyone (support, operations, management, marketing) than the legal grey area LiveLeak operated in. Also the end of the note from Hayden sticks with me, I know the type of videos or users he's referring to and I don't think the majority of readers will reali…

> The fact they were HQ'd in London always confused me.

UK is quite different from the EU when it comes to law. Many businesses largely operate in a grey area and as long as there is no public outrage or they don't step on a wrong politician foot, they are good to go. Even before anything happens you'll likely get plenty of warnings and time to sort whatever problem you have before anyone will be knocking at your door.