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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler
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#652I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"
>"First they came for the XYZ ...
The author's life story is instructive here as to how misused this particular trope is in this example.
Martin Niemoller voted for Hitler. Twice! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
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#653I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"
What is stopping them from buying a server and hosting their site on thei own server?
Nothing. Except laws against hate speech.
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#654Good. If corporations are people then they absolutely should have the right to exercise whatever free speech they want to. Nobody is preventing those deplorables to say whatever the hell they want, but also nobody is obliged to provide services and platform to those people to spread those toxic messages. According to /r/conservative the entire tech industry is ran by leftists, and leftists are stupid, unemployed lose…
This has nothing to do with corporations being people. This and citizens united have nothing to do with each other.
Businesses do not need to give you a platform just because. They reserve the right to do business, or not do business, with whomever they choose.
Don't conflate that with "being people."
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#655I am in favor of these matters being handled and adjudicated via the courts, not by private entities with no due process, arbitrary process and limited oversight.
For all we know there was a limited group of users of that service that caused this action, however we don’t know and likely will never know the facts in this matter.
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#656I have no idea why this is flagged as dupe
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#657Finally "Fediverse" will now become a household word! Applications like Mastodon, Pleroma, and the platform I'm developing myself ( https://quanta.wiki ) can now hopefully gain enough traction to replace the monopoly Social Media services.
The fediverse needs to find a way to abstract identity and consumption from content hosting before it can properly take off, imo.
As it stands, when joining as a casual user with limited technical knowlesge, you have to guess at which fiefdom is the best for you to join, and hope that your moderators are mature, even-handed and that nobody on your server does anything to get you defederated.
If things on your instance do go south, transferring hosts as I understand it is a pain in the ass, because you have to download your data off the server (assuming your account is still accessible), and then contact everyone you interact with (assuming your instance wasn't blocked by theirs), and tell them where you're moving to. Then you sign up for the new instance, upload your data, set a flag on your account to indicate that it's a transfered identity (optional). Fingers crossed your new host is federated with everyone you want to interact with.
Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler
#658Good. If corporations are people then they absolutely should have the right to exercise whatever free speech they want to. Nobody is preventing those deplorables to say whatever the hell they want, but also nobody is obliged to provide services and platform to those people to spread those toxic messages. According to /r/conservative the entire tech industry is ran by leftists, and leftists are stupid, unemployed lose…
I agree that Parler was deplorable and needed to go, but I keep seeing this "private companies can do whatever they want" argument, and it bothers me.
For the sake of discussion, would you feel the same way if the CEOs of AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast woke up tomorrow and decided they want to unilaterally block all of their customers from accessing any news sites they deem to be against their political leanings (just for the sake of discussion, let's say they block all access to MSNBC, CNN, WaPo, HuffPo, and the like).
If that happened, it would effectively cut off most Americans from being able to access news unless it agreed with those CEOs' political agenda. Would we all still be saying "well it's totally fine because AT&T et al are private companies"?
It seems obvious to me that sometimes companies become so large and have so much influence that they should not be allowed to just ban/block whoever they want, even if they are private. I'm not sure if AWS in particular is at that point, but the App Store and Google Play Store certainly feel close.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't think this "they're private so they have no obligations to serve you" is valid at the scale of the companies in question.
Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler
#659I'm having a real hard time understanding how all the comments in the thread are in favor of this. I mean, even if you disagree with the idea of Parler, how can one willingly support this kind of censorship? "First they came for the XYZ and I didn't care because I wasn't XYZ, then they came for the ..., and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"
It's fear mongering to bring up this "first they came for" stuff.
It reads like a slippery slop fallacy, these are also unusual circumstances.
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